Smite needs a lower cooldown 9>4
Restoration needs to apply an dditional effet
resist element need 100% uptime and aura
turn undead needs lowe cooldown
conversion needs to be replaced
barrier needs to be unscrollable
nohing really wrong with conviction other than its damage and coodlown
Yes and thatâs what Iâve been wanting for a long time.
Squire sells itâs own specific set of goods.
Alchemist sells itâs own specific set of goods.
Pardoner sells other peoplesâ set of skillsâŚExcuse me what!?!
https://d1sui4xqepm0ps.cloudfront.net/categories/confused-meme?foo=bar
also pardoner only has 1 use, to sell skills.
Alchemist:
Create+sell potions
Awaken items
Roasting gems
Create+Sell Homonculus
Briquetting+combining item
Squire:
Sell food
Repair
Weapon maintancne
armor maintanence
Enchanter:
Enchant Armor
Create+Sell scrolls
Pardoner:
Create+sell scrolls
even enchanter a class with only 1 circle has more uses than pardoner, and it doesnt break wizard he way that pardoner breaks cleric
plus pardoner requires you to go specific routes
You seem hung up on the fact that making scrolls for skills is a thing.
Let me info dump for you then,
All scrolls a pardoner makes do not get their attributes, benefit from your stats and anything else except the plain old skill.
As for priest buffs, Blessing is infinitely inferior compared to an actual priestâs blessing due to the scaling buffs. The other two are generally only good because they last long.
You seem to think that some scrolls that a person rolled their specific character for (which by the way invalidates that character as something playable. It just becomes a scroll making merchant) specific scrolls as replacing the class entirely. That is such a laughable assumption that i dont even know where to start to refute it because its so absurd.
I like Pardoners mainly because of Discerning Evil being a disgusting support skill if used correctly, and theyâre just a really niche support role that if it isnât afk spell shopping is usually filling the marketplace with valuable scrolls (Daino, Turn Undead, Barrier, etc.). They arenât incredibly valuable, but when they apply correctly they can make a difference.
Alot of the spells you mentioned though wouldnât have use on other classes. Like say, Finestra and High Guard, Running Shot and Swift Step; Theyâd ultimately become even more niche than Pardoner itself. If Swash still required itâs stance, not many people could actually make use of it even still. Enchanter is also a thing, though an unpopular thing due to skipping the power creep that is R8 versus what is actually scrollable.
Letâs take Joint Penalty for instance. The holy bread and butter for Linkers and what theyâre most noted for using when mobbing: linking enemies together. Yes other classes can use it while grinding and not have a Linker. No it is not ethical for spamming due to the price of how much just a few of these scrolls would cost, and No it does not invalidate Linkerâs existence in a party.
How to make Paladinâs Barrier more wholesome than a Scrollable Barrier? All Barrier does is usually keep enemies out of a moderate area of space and somewhat increases the MDEF of those who stand in it. You could actually give it Status Protection since Paladin C3 collides with Oracle at R6; in which people grab usually for Prophecy and Counter Spell alone. You could actually give people a reason to stand it in it aside for spacing, for one. Perhaps Resistance to getting knocked down or a Fire Wall like passive that gives a % of the Paladinâs damage to everyone else to Holy Attribute.
Paladin itself canât do what other classes can do and do well. Diev is all encompassing diversity, and Krivis is a great building block class. Base Cleric is very solid, and only a few things are notably worse than Paladin; feelsSadhuMan.
Base Cleric: Safety Zoooone
Diev: Carve World Tree mutes mobs from actually doing anything, which indirectly does shield you. Thereâs also Ausrine, which protects you against ALL damage provided you get the buff.
Oracle: Counter Spell doesnât protect against EVERY spell, but it mitigates alot of them.
PD: While it doesnât shield you directly, Healing Factor does mitigate damage you take.
Bokor: Mackangdal just delays all damage you take for a moment. If you can Ausrine or Safety Zone before it goes away, you shouldnât take damage.
Yet Paladin only gets partial RNG magic mitigation. Paladin needs a facelift.
But to not go on forever; No I wouldnât mind if Pardoner would get itâs own real set of special skills to sell off. But thereâs more to it than just damning a class. We already did that to Sadhu, we donât need more abandoned classes. We need to make more, have more cohesion, which Paladin is in need of.
There is a saying and it goes assumption is the mother of all screw ups.
This is what youâre doing. I seem to think none of those things. YOU seem to think all of them. You and only you.
Here is the reason why people ask questions to make sure they understand things theyâve read or heard correctly.
I already know the Pardoner scrolls donât take attributes or benefit from stats. Already know blessing buff scales and Pardoners arenât aloud it.
This doesnât mean you should be selling another classes skills and it took how long before blessing ever scaled to begin with? Yeah going on like it ever started that way.
So the other two priests skills are better on Pardoner to you?
Is that a 1 in 3 skills where only 1 isnât better then?
Where is the replaces the class entirely section to my posts that iâm thinking? You see it. Yet i myself, donât.
Iâve said they are used to sell scrolls and sell buffs. How does that mean i believe they replace a class entirely?
Can you point me to where i directly say I believe it to be replacing a class entirely?
You know because otherwise itâs again only your own assumption.
Are you sure you just didnât like what i said? I have trouble understanding where you could pull those ideas from, when i donât point to it being the way Iâm thinking myself.
How am i the one that is complaining that making scrolls is a thing when every post youâve made in this thread is an essay long on how much you hate pardoners for existing
All right so you just donât like what you read.
Can you leave me now to reply to someone trying to discuss and address.
Notice how chillcross does it, itâs how progress is made. Nice and simple.
(Oh look hereâs my point of view, I see what you said and i counter that by saying this.)
Rinse and repeat. From both parties.
Discerning evil i agree with, it does itâs job well. The barrier ideas are nice, but I donât think it will prevent just buying the scroll from prevailing. (Itâd be nice to be wrong though. Yes, I understand you werenât saying ideas as if they were a guaranteed solution.).
Yep, I walked into that one with the magic damage. I knew my intentions might not be conveyed right, my bad. Yes everything you listed is correct and based on what I said I am wrong, What i meant and did a poor job of meaning is without being âWell hey youâre immune to everythingâ skills that helped you against magic damage.
Which would still be carve world tree and counter spell(since it is only for magic.).
Essentially Paladin is a poor mans version where all of these are concerned and that is saddening. Yes if Paladin is to be the magic mitigator it needs to do it better.
I donât like Enchanter scrolling for the same reason. Enchanter scrolls are expensive (for now) but can it also get itâs own skills to scroll. Without scrolls it has armour enhancement(MDef buff ought to be a quite seller.). Enchanter isnât forced into scrolling. It has another option.
Pardoner is stuck being something that sells scrolls or opens a shop, but it doesnât get to do either with any real freedom. Itâs fixed by what it can be built from, with a Bokor route being the only exception iâm sure of(that doesnât have to care for simony / spell shop at all) To me, itâs own scrolls could help alleviate this. In the first circle itâs other skills are good. Yet incentive for anyone to be circle 2/3 Pardoner is (spell shop / really wanted circle 3?). Surely, this is problem.
Glad you see my side. I donât want to force my ideals down because even I know Iâm twisted more than a helix pretzel, but thatâs what I picture. Itâs more work than IMC will ever put in, but Iâm used to getting disappointed by KoG. Repetitively. Still worth trying to rally some attention towards it. 
I do agree that itâs rather odd that a Pardoner canât sell itâs own skills. Iâd love Discerning Evil scrolls like itâs a crime. In itself, the actual âoffensiveâ portions of Pardoner are gimmicky and donât even work well. Iâd like a rework that actually gives the option of either âAFK marketmanâ or âMoney-Grubbing Clericâ, but that may be asking abit much considering it took Alchemist C3 to actually get decent offensive (although derp) potential.
lel all these people just now finding out what sadhu is.
best part about being sadhu is that you can even go into the high level maps and amaze people bcuz they never saw a sadhu before