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BOTter's Heaven (Royal Mausoleum Construction's Chapel)

General Discussion
#10

I know the effects :smile:

As I said, developers can only combat the problem, but each time they implement a countermeasure, it is circumvented almost immediately.

I’m not saying I condone botting, nor am I saying nothing should be done. I simply pointed out the flaw in this suggestion. Other games have done similar things, with Captcha’s that target people randomly - it can break immersion (and annoy the crap out of me - as I play with a controller…) but these are also possible to enter via a Bot.

I think that the best method that has been possible is the ol’ “Right click, report as botter”. This gives the developer a “watchlist” that they can keep an eye on. From there it can be filtered - if a user is online for excessive hours, hasn’t left an area, appears to be doing the same thing, and appears unresponsive - you most likely have yourself a bot. The only downside to this method is the manpower required to vet and confirm the botters. Automatic systems will always have a chance at false positives.

There are many methods, and they all have drawbacks, however any method that allows other users to initiate “bot checking” have always ended in misery - because it can be used for censorship, suppression, loot/kill theft, general abuse, and trolling.

I am going to go back to the game now, it has been a nice discourse :).

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#11

I agree with @colderflame. That’s a terrible idea. This option can and WILL be abused and I for example do not want to be interrupted by some stupid guy who’ve thought that I may be (or may be not) a bot looking at how I mindlessly grinding mobs and ignoring everyone and everything listening to some music. Also, being caught in the middle of mobtraining with a pop-up window locking your ability to attack - do I even have to comment this?

#12

OK thats a suggestion… if you find it terrible then its fine ^^…

i have a lot in my mind right now but i wont bother telling it ^^… people hate changes… especially if this can affect them… ok cya on game…

#13

“a weight” 2k15 jk :joy:

#14

Who cares, botter or auto-fire abuser (also botter imo), BAN them all.
They are pure cancer.

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#15

brilliant idea !

let’s say you bornfire-AFK for toilet and when you come back yer banned just because some f@ggot reported you, and since you was busy taking a shjt down the toilet, the question was not answered, you-are-banned. Happy ending ?

#16

yeah nice reading… you definitely understand what is written on the post… bravo! - sarcasm…

(sorry i said i wont reply on this thread anymore… but… oh well hahahaha)

if the accused botter fails to answer the question for 3 times (While keep on Active state [keep on pressing keypads or moving])… the system will detect him as BOT… UNLESS he is not literally not pressing anything (AFK)…

#17

Can’t do this. This makes trolling people sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy

#18

“else if the botter successfully answered the questions… the player who accused on botting must not be able to “activate the ask question” system for a certain period of time”.

you cant actually spam this feature since it can be abused… if proven that the accused botter is not a botter… then the troller (idk what to call them), cant use this feature for a certain period of time.

#19

I don’t know i agree we need something for bots and afk key lockers but i feel like this would still generate a harassment issue.

#20

Kind of a off topic but…

When I was at crystal mine 1F, I saw tons of afkers aka AA bots when I was hunting for red gems
I decided to ks them since I can 1 hit mobs there easily and after a few mins, A black mist appear
It got my attention and my screen became wider (zoom out). It was a monster named “Grim Reaper”.

This monster is level 42 if my memory serves me right (didn’t get SS though).
and in a blink of an eye, it killed all the AA bots there (lv 48 cleric, 53 highlander, and a hunter). I decided to fight it for fun but this thing has a huge hp and its magic attacks is hitting 800+ damage on me, its physical attack are lame and didnt hit me at all. After a few mins of fighting it suddenly disappear and left.

Maybe this thing is hunting bots, if only IMC can put more of this things in dungeons where afker/AA bots swarm, my hunting/farming will be much smoother :sparkles:

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#21

That is what it was made for but it takes to long to spawn. Also while its a very fun system its not the most effective.

#22

That doesn’t work. A botter can get a second account on just to send him some questions from time to time and the bot will answer. That will lock any other player from doing these questions and the bot will be able to work without interuptions.

That would also promote harassment. Someone ks your mob or you want someone to be removed from an area you want to farm, ask your guild mates to spam him with messages and he can’t play anymore.

A good solution anti-bot is using captcha each 30min-1h of gameplay. If you don’t solve the captcha then you can’t play. Give a fair 5 minutes warning to player about the captcha so he won’t be doing that while fighting a boss.

#23

whether the system do that normally where its spawn field boss on that place. (Haven’t been staying in the mines too long) That would be a great Idea

There is a certain time that boss spawn and kills the hell out of those BOTS then poof disappear. It should be unkillable which means, Every non afk player “SHOULD” run away. For those AFK/Bots will be dead in an instant.

If any negative impact please feel free to explain and offer other suggestions.

#24

I just love how the reaper slice them up like a pineapple :pineapple:

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#26

There needs to be a better less annoying system these things are always awful

#27

There are a lot of people against this idea, but I think if implemented properly it would work great.

  • you can not flag AFK people
  • a person can only be flagged at most once every hour
  • you can only give out 1 flag every hour, and can not flag the same person more than once a day
  • if you flag someone, and they pass the captcha, you can not flag anyone else for 6+ hours
  • the CAPTCHA is non-intrusive, and gives you up to 5 minutes to solve it (but is simple enough to solve that you should be able to quickly solve it mid-boss fight if you run to a corner)
  • logging out without solving the CAPTCHA will prompt you to solve it as soon as you log in.
  • failing the CAPTCHA will automatically log you out, and put you on a GM watchlist
  • passing a CAPTCHA will put you on a GM watchlist as well, but the watchlist will simply say you passed it (bots can pass CAPTCHAs - someone who is consistently flagged as a bot but passes CAPTCHAs should be looked into by a GM)
  • “abuse of the flag system is punishable wit ha temporary ban” should be added to the Terms of Service
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#28

I do like the added Idea but I would still like that reaper thing slicing n dicing those bots

#29

mhh, i think a system that asks the player if he’s there or not… maybe with a code even. every 1hour or something…
you could make a window that show’s a random generated code that you have to type in. little annyoing but will do, i guess…

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#31

I like the idea, but it should be a small pop up so it doesn’t disturb our gameplay,
we should get something like 50% HP/SP heal when we put the code in,
so it rewards active players and caution bot/AA abuser, if they do it again -> BAN<-.

It should not appear in the village, just on level maps and maybe not while sitting (bonfire or real afk).