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BOTS out of control, overruned the whole servers

General Discussion
#1

There is at least 5 bots for each player, I don’t know why they put the “report botting” option if they won’t do nothing, or at least nothing with all bots i’ve reported since month ago, I have seen bots since n00bs map and now they re about lvl 200 and reported then tons of times, Dina bee farm is full of summoner and priest bots, you cant go any grind map without find bots. Im starting to think that IMC has special deals with bots users.

Game is awesome but bots are killing it, im thinking seriously on quit, no a single cent more to this, and also all my guild and friends, we are really tired of this.

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#2
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#3

If they could hire even just 1 GM to go around banning bots all day, there would be much less high level bots. Instead we have several Community Mananager “STAFF”, reading forums, doing nothing.

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#5

Hey. They’re giving you new loading screens every maintenance :smirk:
Back to topic. Yeah, likewise for me, the bots I’ve reported a month+ ago have since been promoted to farming at forest of prayers to Istora ruins and beyond…

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#6

Bots now can even change channels, this game is make for bot

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#7

the gap of wealth between botters & non-botters is real. dont encourage us to do dirty things ingame pls :confused:

like everyone could shout “ill buy your crafted item in millions, post it on market”. blah, like it’s that easy to gain silvers here. suspicious, RMT and botters all over the servers.

#8

Still have ■■■■ ton of bot

Dont open the server for new account if this is not fixed!

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#10

The only ones who can solve the problem is IMC. Suggestions have been made about bots on gamer forums everywhere across every game imaginable. This gives IMC plenty of reading material. Plus, programmers have created multiple ideas to combat bots.

No one has solved the problem but people have created ways to control the problem by making botting difficult enough that only the truly skilled botters can get away with it.

Games like Guild Wars 2 that include gem to gold and gold to gem conversion systems allowing players to get item mall currency with game currency create a system that actually gives them the right to file lawsuits against RMTers / botters since, at that point, RMTers / botters are actually hurting the company’s profit and it can be proved in court. (Blizzard did this when they allowed players to use gold to pay for subscription time).

It can’t be stopped but there are ways to control it for sure. I don’t really know how controlled it is in ToS. Some people are saying botting isn’t as bad as people make it out to be, some people claim it’s the end of times. I see bots in almost every zone I go to but the choo-choo bot trains I haven’t seen in awhile. Is it really this bad?

Then again 32% of playerbase was banned for RMT/Botting/Add-on abuse in that massive banwave last week.

That’s kinda big and may imply that the RMT restrictions aren’t controlling the situation. But feel free to disagree with me.

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#11

Welcome to the real world kid, Where BOTS infests MMORPGS.

#12

First look at this.

Then enter snowdance/majie in search.

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#13

woah careful u might cut yourself on that edge

The thing here is, this isn’t everybody’s first MMO. People are aware that all MMOs have some form of botting one way or another. But when bots number almost half of the server’s population then that’s the sign of bad management and the lack of countermeasures.

Unlike all the other cheap backwater KMMOs out there, this game actually HAS potential to become good. And it already has the attention of RO1 fans, and there were A LOT of RO1 players back in the day. Think of it as the WoW of SEA.

In TOS, the bots are dealt with on a case to case basis. They examine the reports ONE BY ONE and they don’t have anyone routinely going around ingame to ban the bots that have been here and been reported forever.

Now imagine this. When the server becomes open to new players, there won’t only be hundreds of bots coming in. There will be thousands. And EVERY DAY there will be new bots coming. It is not feasible to deal with them on a case to case basis and there needs to be a passive, even if temporary, countermeasure against them such as a simple captcha system or a second password system. The bot problem is big enough to warrant a new feature that will actually prevent bots from going in one way or another.

#14

captcha and second password systems won’t work. I wrote a post about this already but to summarize it: It’s too easy for a bot to break through captchas and even question-based captchas.

There’s also captcha libraries for botters to download and use where they try to find a match in the library with what’s being shown to them on screen. If this game did put in a captcha it wouldn’t stop bots and the players, once again, will have a new game element that annoys the players and the botters/RMTers will keep botting and RMTing.

I know I made a post talking about how we should try to limit the amount of bots in the game but captcha has been proving time and time again to not stop bots anymore.

This is basically one of many articles you can find on the subject with a quick Google search.

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#15

I am aware of that. I just gave out two of the most common examples I could think of. My point is that they should have some kind of automated system in place to control the number of bots. There are many MMOs and not all of them have bot problems as severe as this. The devs could take a page from those specific MMOs and perhaps use the same methods.

It’s usually those generic cash-grab KMMOs whose devs don’t give a ■■■■ that have this problem, and I don’t want this MMO to end up like those, because it’s awesome in a lot of ways(great art, great soundtrack, class system with a lot of potential)

Don’t get me wrong, I do agree with you. But dealing with bots on a case by case basis is just way too inefficient.

As soon as the game opens to new players, there will be a massive influx of bots and that will be greatly detrimental to the game in the long run. They need to put a system in place against bots before they do this.

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#16

Why are you telling me this? I need not to know more, Preach the OP.

I just pointed out to him/her this is how the real world goes, well the MMORPG world to be exact.

#17

It’s true. When the game does open again we are going to see a ridiculous amount of bots. I do see a trend in games where buyers of silver/gold/gil/whatever never get banned though.

I remember mentioning this on the FFXIV forums but ya know, that place is full of retards who can only use .0005% of their brains. But consider this:

What if a game developer, instead of banning bots and RMTers, tracks down proven bots and RMTers and puts them on a secret watch list. Every time they make a transaction that, after investigation, is proven to be related to RMT, the buyer of the game currency is banned.

Start attacking the buyers and the sellers disappear. As long as you’ve got a proper investigation system in place you shouldn’t be banning people falsely anyways. Make people afraid to buy.

The only argument I’ve seen against this is literally, “Ban paying customers is bad for business!!!” Whatever… them buying RMT is bad for business anyways.

#18

Bots ruins the economy.
dead economy = terrible game

#19

Actually this is part of the strongest way to counter bots:
F2P = bot game with some players.
B2P with a full games starting price AND NO bonus included means every single bot would have to regain that price before its making profit, now add attacking the buyers instead of the bots as a first step ingame -> bots will make less profit and less profit because PLAYERS dont want bans.

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#20

While I do agree, IMC doesn’t seem to willing to spend much resources on that(and I haven’t seen an MMO developer actually attempt to do that) so I guess the next best thing is attacking their medium, their way of doing pretty much everything like advertising their sites/collecting ingame money/etc, which are bots.

By controlling the influx of bots they can at least limit the impact of RMTs on the game.

edit: now that you mention it i do remember some mmo where there are actually GMs ingame who investigate RMTs and ban the players who partake in them.

#21

Hey Where can I buy those bots as It is apparently legal to use them?

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#22

hopefully they’re also deleting all the money the bots have already moved around. not really sure how it works.