Once and for all, which one is better overall? I see arguments for both, but it’s just hard for me to think that Bokor Sadhu can compete with constant blessing buff availability no matter where you go.
I’d say Priest 3-Chaplain-PD2 is probably better because it’s easier. Especially when we’ll have the buffs patch that increases the buffs durations.
You’ll use all your buffs at once, they’ll all last a couple of minutes, and for a while you’ll just need to attack. No need for rebuff, just directly use all your skills. Also if you go full SPR you have a constant 2k+ Blessing at hand.
So P3Chappie is “better” as it’s faster and less troublesome.
Prana is a better blessing (mainly for yourself and a wizard dd) if you plan to invest in your char (high matk, high int). Diev (20%cd) or cleric3(heal bomb, divine might 10) or priest (bad blessing for heal bombs, resurrection for ET) are better filler than bokor (hexing, effigy) in most ocassions. Blessing hit count only decreases in the first hit with stuff like bds and incineration (one blessing can last for about 15 floors in ET for example).
I was Priest3ChapPD2 (full SPR)and switched to Sadhu3PD2 (full INT), the damage difference is insane, the enjoyability difference is insane. You don’t even need to supplement with autoattacks or any stupid stuff like that because your damage is high enough, and you’ve got another skill to use as well that is really nice. I went C3Sadhu3PD2 but really as long as it’s C2XSadhu3PD2 it’s good
Sure you have buffs, but when you’re solo they’re annoying as hell to cast with their low durations. After the patch which we may not receive for months, this problem will partially be gone, your damage will still be pretty bad, but you’ll have the party benefits. This still won’t make ChapPD2 better, but it will make it at least come closer than what it is now.
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Without a doubt, Sadhu deals more damage. But the Chaplain build offers more support.
If you want to be a main damage dealer that kills things very fast, go Sadhu. If you want to be able to reaply blessing to the party and ress people in ET, go Chaplain. The party boost is even more noticeble when you are with SR or other auto attack builds.
In short, no build is straight up better than the other. They just perform better in different contests, and require different mindsets.
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Hmm… so basically, Chaplain PD2 is better overall.
Why waste an AoE slot in a group on a Cleric without Priest C3 when you can just get a Sapper C3 Falconer C3 or Doppel C3 that can perform better for AoE?
At least Chaplain PD2 not only provides AoE but also amplifies it for other party members. And it isn’t bad for soloing either.
Unless I see an extreme difference in dps between the 2 builds, Chaplain PD2 just seems superior overall.
Well, take the case of a Cl3>Sadhu3>PD2. The toon has good healing ability and can also “amplify” party members’ capability with Divine Might, and can dish out better AOE damage. Not saying that it is better, just saying that you need to qualify your conclusion.
Why waste a slot for Sapper/Falconer or Doppelsoeldner if you can just get another Cleric with damage and Safety Zone?
Sadhu,Bokor and Plague Doctor have enough AoE capabilities imo to make them decent choices, because they don’t rely on stacking AoE attack ratio or Circling debuff to deal AoE damage…
And since there will be 1 debuff slot per PDs Incinerate/BDS (i.e. no more overwriting each others debuff) in the future, there is no reason why a party shouldn’t consist only of e.g. Plague Doctors to run ET;
if you waste 1 slot for Falconer because you need the AoE debuff and 1 slot for Chryo/Chrono because you need Quicken/Pass/Frost Pillar for that Doppelsoeldner to be effective, it’s more efficient to fill these 3 slots with 3x Plague Doctor instead and have 2 times the damage without any Heal/Safety Zone leechers.
Bokor>Sadhu3 is better than Cleric3, simply because you got Effigy as a filler and zombies for additional damage. Chaplain is meh, it’s less damage with Blessing and less AoE-capabilities. It’s better against bosses,though.
Btw, why not Bokor3>Sadhu3?
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Good point, that is helpful, but…
You can go Cleric C2 in a Chaplain PD2 build. It won’t be Max Divine Might but it will be good enough.
The character itself can do better AOE damage, and maybe with Wizards as someone else pointed out… but not the entire group.
Remember that ToS doesn’t need actual dedicated tanks, and healers can dps too, so buffing the group is significantly more impactful than in most other games.
I didn’t consider this option, I guess this is a good point as well if your groups DPS is not an issue, but mitigation is.
That seems like an oversight on IMC’s part, but maybe not considering Wugushis get similar buff/treatment. I think in PDs case this might be too powerful considering how they work.
So basically, what you are saying is that the most optimal AoE damage group, after an update to PDs, is one Chaplain PD2 and then 3-4 Sadhu PD2s? Correct me if I’m wrong.
Don’t know enough about Bokors to understand how they are impactful for AoE
PD2 master rice?
/20 charmanders
If that’s true, it seems pointless to play anything else other than PD2 since you’d benefit from healing, mitigation and AoE all at once.
Really dumb oversight by IMC if full PD2 groups are the most optimal way to play PvE content.
pd2 is not the most optimal for chap in pve… inquisitor still beats pd2 in killing bosses…
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Well,Chaplain doesn’t fit well together with most other Classes, mainly due to the issue that Chaplain is mostly about autoattacking while other Classes are more about skillspamming.
A good combination with Chaplain is Bokor since it also scales its zombie attack/HP with SPR, or Krivis since it helps with evading attacks (Aukuras) and reducing the enemies crit resistance (Zalciai, which also scales its additional crit damage from your SPR), additionally to Daino which provides help with buff slot management, Melstis to keep e.g. Stone Skin up.
You also benefit twice from Divine Stigma since your autoattacks use both STR and INT(Aspersion through Aspergillum) to increase their damage.
So all in all a Chaplain is better off with either Bokor 3 or Krivis 3 than Plague Doctor, while Plague Doctor is better off with Sadhu.
You really have two ways to look at it when considering ChapPD2.
You want Chap? Inq is better fit here.
You want PD2? Sadhu3 is the better fit here.
Unless you specifically want both the things PD2 and Chap offers and for some reason don’t want the optimal choice for either one specifically, in which case ChapPD2 is okay, but still just not the best.
I wouldn’t say ChapPD2 but a Priest3PD2 will probably become a lot better as the PD2 changes come, as you will still want something with a nice blessing around to provide to the group, assuming you want multiple PD2s.
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chaplain sucks and fall of very hard
if u need res, rev, mass heal. just get priest2 and to diev1bokor1 or diev1+any and go pd2
even bokor1 can do more damage and have better aoe than chaplain aa, diev have more utility, oracle too
put chaplain into pd2 build is kind of waste
blessing is sh!t at end game, why u need +2000 when swordy always do 100k+
invested spr = losing matk from int
blessing doesn’t scale with skill attribute while matk does
tldr don’t get chaplain for anything except inquisitor, it’s waste of rank
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… what.
Fun fact, no cleric build does as much damage as most swordsmen builds, that’s some strawman arguement if Ive ever seen. With that mentality I could say why bring a Swordy when you can have a geared Cryo/Kino/Rune kill nearly every boss in a few seconds 
Blessing can actually be quite good, some people are too ignorant to understand why or they’re just 290 Dungeon / Saalus heroes.
Blessing effects every party member, so multiply it depending on how many players there are, It also scales incredibly well on multi hit and damage over time abilities (not to mention the extra procs off buffs like Sacrament and Last Rites), so sure it may be only 2000 damage but it can end up being tons of free damage for the party while still dealing decent damage yourself depending on the build.
Also I’d like to add that some people want to a more support orientated build.
@xinronyr No one can really answer your question because it really comes down to play style, what content you plan on doing or how much you plan on investing into certain builds. Just try not to listen to people who say something like ‘x build is bad because y does this better’ because they fail to understand some content you can’t run with a full group of doppels 
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it’s hard to see usefulness of chaplain unless u run aa comp
waste whole rank for last rites?
+1 hit aa while most of DPS using skill 7/24
aspergillum hit with low aoe aa?
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Hmm, pretty sure Aspergillium and (depending on how you distribute points in Priest and what content you’re doing) Deploy Capella are quite good.
So basically you’re saying that because something can only hit one or a couple enemies makes it bad?
hmm
Look real question here, do you do high level floors of ET/Solmiki?
Because to me you sound like someone who only does Saalus and cares if a boss dies in 5 seconds and if it doesn’t then a builds considered crap 
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i did 25f and 30f with cryo-chrono
we use 1doppel 2 chrono 1 monk-inquis 1 pally-taoist
basically no need chaplain for this lineup
i quit after few run becoz i don’t like that boring daily routine
(late guildy, fixed time, fixed member, blah blah)
i don’t even run saalus, it’s too boring and low profit since gacha cube (90-100k each shard lol)
hunting orange mats do more profits compare to stupid saalus, 2drop/hour at the time
i would just buy it from guildy if i want it (2x price compare to reroll cost, ez deal)
my guild have many pt run solmeme everyday, it’s easy to buy or pre-order those stuff
or even play thier account and pay cheaper depend on how many day they was run that floor
(many of my guildy use separate acc that specially made for et run)
Deploy Capella is absolute trash. Only reason to get it is that ME is dependant on another skill and Priest actually has such good skills that you find yourself struggling for skill points there.
It only re-applies when you walk outside of it and back into it, if this is a bug it sure as hell hasn’t been fixed so I assume it isn’t.
A lot of people easily confuse Priest as somehow requiring you go to Chaplain or you lose out, but this is totally false, it’s very easy to reach the premise well I’m already Priest3, but I suggest you go ahead and look at what Chaps bring to the table themselves, it’s really just Aspergillum (only themselves, and are you going to be AA spamming really?) and Last Rites (really mainly for AA parties?).
The other two sklils are pretty bad, there are some okay attributes but they’re not worth a rank in this when there are better Cleric ranks you can grab here.
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