So with PD C2 giving extra levels on Incineration, extra debuff plague vapor, 2 overheat and new incineration attribute. Do will still need discerning evil ?
I would like to switch pardoner for oracle/druid for more PvP potencial, but I don’t wanna hurt my PvE game.
Thanks.
Literally only Plague Vapors takes advantage of Discerning Evil. Take Pardoner C1 if you know you’re going to do late game party play with some big-ticket debuffers like Dragoon C2 and Musketeer C2. Otherwise, the Pardoner C1 pick is optional and more a convenience than an asset.
It’s also fine to replace Bokor C3 if you want. That’s a comfort and budget pick, the third circle. Or if you’re a big fan of Damballa.
I’m a big fan of mackangdal. I think I’ll go oracle then, bloodletting + prophecy + counterspell is gonna be insane for battle league and GvG.
discerning evil helps incing and plague vapors
it also extends cc duration by 10 seconds at level 5, so a ten seconds freeze
thats its only pvp use at c1
but you get to make cure scrolls for double cure to 1 shot a boss
Please do not get pardoner just to extend plague + incineration. The worst advice someone can give to others is to get DE for incineration combo. DE works well if partnered up with other debuffs, like Spear Lunge/others. But if you’re not going to be running dungeons/ET with a coordinated group, I feel like you won’t be maximizing the potential of DE.
At C2, incineration has a base duration of 10 seconds. If you’re a bokor, I’m going to assume you’d be able to get 2-3 debuffs BY YOURSELF. That’s 16 seconds with an overheat of 2.
If you want pvp potential, get either Priest (for res which is great for pvp and ET), Oracle, or Druid (for Telepath pvp).
What’s your build going to be? Would it be something the lines of:
Cleric c2 > Bokor c2 > Bokor c3/Diev c1 > Oracle/Priest/Druid > PD 2?
I am bokor 3 right now, lvl 14.
My build plan atm is: Cleric 2 > Bokor 3 > Oracle > PD 2.
Seems like a solid build. Might wanna check out Miko for c6 seeing how you have C3 bokor. You can utilize the zombies and boost their attack some more by like 1.6x, which stacks with the other zombie buff
Interesting, I had forgot about miko class. Do they offer anything significant over oracle for PvP ?
Not too sure, haven’t really had time to theorycraft, but check out this link for more details on the skills:
Kagura dance + zombies + other buffs?
I’ll take a deeper look, but at first glance it seems much weaker choice compared to oracle.
The guy doing the Q&A said kagura dance doesn’t work with zombies 
I’ve read the topic and miko is actually cool.
Don’t know if it can beat prophecy and counter spell, but it is nice.
I think Miko will outclass Oracle C1 fillers.
It’s “dispeller” works on level 2 status ailments.
Also provides nice buff/channeling/dispelling skills and an apparently good DD skill.
Pretty sure it does. Prophecy is kinda gimmicky. The 5% negation is nice, but you dont want to risk getting hit and hoping it wont damage you for 5%
Counterspell is good, but i think the overall skill set of miko is better
Miko > Oracle
oracle only brings pvp uses, miko does the same and gives good dmg
Pardoner gives good dmg and DE ( incineration does not have 100% uptime even with overheat and plague vapors/hexing)
preist gives a ress, so Pardoner>Preist on most occasions
Miko dispeller won’t work in instanced pvp thats for sure, with prophecy I can maintain huge uptime on CC imunity (with bloodletting) for my party and counter spell is OP.
But miko is way better for pve while still usefull in pvp, might be the better choice overall (over pardoner as well), now Its a pvp vs pve question for me I guess.
IMO its
Miko > Pardoner > Oracle > Preist > Other
Miko gets:
-Hamaya
-A Cleanse
-A Buff Remover
-Some support skills that arent that good/ or buggy (we dont know if buggy or intended, like clap only working on statues)
Pardoner gets:
Oracle gets:
Preist gets:
Miko and Pardoner seem like the best options, Pardoner seems to be better than miko at bossing due to DE, and miko has more skills, but it also has a hard quest, it also has more dmg with its skills than pardoner ( hamaya and gohei do more dmg than indulgentia, idk how they compare to incin+DE or double cure)
Clap only works with statues ?
If that is intended, then miko falls under pardoner/oracle for pve/pvp.
at the moment yes, i think its a bug
it IS a bug…
@matheuscrosara
Looks like your build is much more to DPS and has potential to PvP
Don’t know much with pardoner but I can give you some suggestion between oracle, miko and priest
Miko is balanced with buff/debuff, DPS and support so most of build is actually pretty good with this.