i was wondering which class combination for 2 hand spears is working for ET now, i was traying the classic catagoon but the ouput damage is so low and the SP consumption too high for such damage ( all damage skills have atr over lvl 50)
any suggestion?
CataGoon still works to a degree with a good party composition but it requires you decent gear and attributes investment - lv.8-10 trans +11/16 Regard Horn Pike to start, then lv.70 attribute on core skills. Same goes for CataLancer.
For the same degree of investment though, Dopel3 just beats both by miles and is most preferable by parties for a swordsman member.
Dopple is so much better, you should play it instead for ET.
and how about sw3-hop3-d2 o d1-La1??
Unless you have friends or a fixed group to run ET/Solmiki, or are willing to carry you until you get better gear, I wouldn’t recommend going with those builds you mentioned.
Nevertheless, they should work with decent gear and attributes investment, but again they won’t be able to clear packs of mobs as fast and as efficient as a Doppel.
ET/Solmiki’s hardest stages are usually DPS checks which means the party must be able to kill huge groups in a short amount of time.
i know all that, just don’t want a doppel, i was asking about the best dps dragoon build now
just don’t compare dragoon to a doppel, just working in an efficient dragoo or lancer build, i don’t care if doppel is the best dps pls
I have sw-hl-shino-dragoon friend and he is good, on of our solo dps in et
i think he take dragoon for big game hunter
Then Sw1 X Hop3 Dop1 Goon2 still IMO.
You’re a cool guy. I like you. 
lol I think having Dop in the build helps alot. I just hope IMC fixes that Cyclone movement attribute soon (it seems to get you immobile even before the Cyclone duration ends).
I think Pain Barrier outweighs basically anything Dopple gives you, especially on dragoon. Most of your damage skills have long animations with damage spread out along the whole animation so knockback is even more infuriating than usual. Gungho 15, Concentrate 10, and Double Slash 5 (notable that Serpentine and Pierce have bleeding) are just icing on the cake. To me the rework more or less killed that old dopplegoon build.
You say that, but you clearly haven’t played it then. I can beat those Sw3 builds in DPS any day of the week, and I’m smart enough and aware enough to account for Pain Barrier CD to not stand like a derp in front of the boss.
I have been noticing a disturbing trend lately among the SW3 players who pick up Pain Barrier 15 and seem to think it makes them invincible, and they will proceed to face-tank bosses even at their own detriment. This of course varies from player to player, but it seems like many people are relying so entirely on Pain Barrier 15 that it breeds bad gameplay habits.
SW3/Sw2-pelt-Rod3-Dragoon2 for me is the best DPS for PVE dragoon. Though youll be using 1 handed-spear instead of 2 handed one.
every build is viable if u have good enough item and team comp
lack of aoe??? - get falcon
can’t gather mob??? - cryo-chrono will do that job
if u have friends who understand you, it wouldn’t be problem
if u won’t… u’ll have hard time
if u going to use only 2h spear, get sword3+hop2 then go either dop-goon2 or x-lancer
Cata is garbage though in Solmiki so it is out of question. Either Hoplite or Rod are fighting for the spot before dragoon. Rod has better damage multiplier even against dragoon 2. Dop 1 cyclone 5 is only as strong as Cata rush, still good but very low damage even with good weapon.
and how about SW3-Hop3-D1-La1 ? is a build i have seen a lot lately during reset event ive tested it and was a nice build for boosing in crystal mine mission, just lack of AOE
Yea it’s good for farming mats and bossing, max your DPE and hunt rare materials that cost a lot(buff DPE then use lancer skills). You have Spear throw and cyclone for AOE, cyclone 5 is slighting stronger than Cata 3 rush. If ET is in the mind, targe smash, cyclone, shinobi are the best AOE for swordsman. Single hit is also good in ET but chrono-linkers are very rare and you need 2 of that to make the most of your single hitters. Just dont bring Cata in ET, youll just waste effort and time because you need extreme investment just to have the slowest AOE DPS from swordsman tree.