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Barbarians vs every other class

ive played most classes and to be honest i dont know why so much hate towards barbarians/highlanders. yes they do have a reaaaaally easy time grinding/farming, and progress in the beta really fast, but the thing about them and no one seems to notice is that they are an early game class, they shine in earlier stages where the other classes just struggle, but then at late game , they start to fall off ,and when i say fall off i mean that they get balanced to the other classes if not weaker, why? because they just have hp and raw damage, while other classes have UTILLITY and better scalings. mind to notice that this beta only covers 200 character levels and 6 ranks , this is probably less that 1/4 of the complete game. so i dare say that this beta covers only early to mid-early game, exactly where barbarians/highlanders shine.

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in iCBT1 people were complaining about archers kneeling shot AFK-KS everything in sight. you dont see those complaints right now.

perhaps in iOBT with the archer damage buff it will happen once again

Having higher hp and higher raw dmg while other class have utility but lower hp and dps. Thats balanced. You cant have everything.

It’s hard to satisfy them and even if they do, they won’t. I think everyone goes haywire if they see high numbers of damage thus claiming it’s OP.

yeah, my point is , early game you dont need utility, not when you 2 shot bosses and destroy mobs in dungeons. later bosses with different gimmics prove harder to kill.

swordsman>>>barbs are the most common class on any of the servers…

there are lot of jerks that run around stealing kills and afk killing quests mobs too…

by the magic of whatever… we can say that barbs = jerks in the eyes of many.

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The hate isnt towards barbarians, its towards Barbarian players. The class itself is fine, has its strengths and weaknesses, but the people who play them are nothing but exploiters and general assholes.

Every barbarian i’ve come across thinks they own any spot at any given time and all mobs are theirs. the ā€˜Raw damage’ you mention, allows them to kill our mobs faster than we can. Too many times Ive been questing and a barbarian has come up to take my mob in one shot. There are a few who even sat next to me while i widdled something down, to then charge an ability and kill it.

The issue is the current loot system. Without monster tagging, anyone can come up and KS your monster for the loot. This brings hate to all barbarian players as that’s all they do. It’s gotten to the point to where I do not party, heal, or even talk to barbarians unless I have to for dungeons.

Screw Barbarian players. Anyone who has any sort of barbarian build has no sympathy nor support from me.

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Yep, it’s simply because the Barb players KS too much.

agree to the points above they had mentoned. Our hates are not against the barbarians but the players. Most KSers are barbarians. Other classes need time to setup their attacks, for example my mage. I have to auto attack every single monster and gather them together and have my spell to kill them. But fark these ā€œbarbariansā€ that just come over and kill steal everything. I lessly see other classes do this though.

As you mentioned, barbarians have high raw damage. Their setup time are much lesser or almost instant. Can you imagine when you have used your spell that have over 1minute cooldown and there is one farker come over and kill everything? -_-

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ā€œcrab my spell went off, better circle the enemies together until my spell comes ba…aaand there goes all my hard workā€

:expressionless:

been a wizard is serious business…

All this things wouldn’t happen if IMC just put more channels in higher level areas (20 more channels plox)

There IS monster tagging though? First person who damage it tags it, I’ve killed a few damaged monster and see greyed out loot drop from them.

Wow…this generalization, rly sad…

Let me try to open your eyes.
First of all; yes my main is a c3barb atm Doppel soon to hit maxlvl (192?193? i dont remember atm) but i also have played a wiz/cryo/linker arround lvl 100~…so i saw both sides.
Even im a barb, i never ever KS! One time i remember, i KSed by a mistake because… i run into the screen killed a mob and AFTER that the char got loaded by server…so i didn’t saw him before :(i rly felt bad about that, even it wasn’t my fault…)
To see it from the other side when i play my Linker, no matter what class, i got ksed a lot…and no that’s not just barbs, that are also archers, other mages and clerics. (Feels like, linked mobs have a magical force of attraction to other players :dizzy_face: )

Like DrRM said, maybe its because barbs seems like to be the most common class on the game…so the chance to get KSed by a barb player is higher.

And again as a Barb Player i can say with clear conscience, i doesn’t KS other Player!

Greetings from a peaceful Barb Player :love_letter:

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I’ve found Archers to be the biggest KSers. Way more often it’s an archer that KS’s me since they just point their char in one direction and open fire regardless of whether there are players there or not.
I’m a C3 Barb myself and I don’t KS. I also have one of each class, all 60-100 as well; for testing purposes ofc.

Yea because kneeling shot is broken this beta and the range bonus doesn’t work so you can’t sit down and shoot half the map. When its fixed i will kneeling camp again.

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@rofldat There are two types of monster tagging in this beta, Last hitting and Health percentage. Me and a friend tested out the different times you can get loot, and it seems inconsistent.

Half of the time, the person who last-hit the monster will get all loot privileges. the other half, its the person who did the most damage to the monster. In terms of Barbarians, they usually fill both roles.

More often than not, barbs KS monsters you need for a quest rather than just the loot. In a questing basis, Last-Hitting is the only way to get credit for quests, so there is no monster tagging in this situation.

This game has no ā€œFirst-Hitā€ monster tagging like some others do. Its Last-hit, or most damage.

@Rahbarbera-Bar All generalizations are sad. Stereotypes exist for almost any race in real life. A video game is no exception to these rules. The reason stereotypes exist, is because statistics says they are true. More often than not, a certain person or thing will fulfill common attributes and be categorized by such. (Not trying to be racist) but its mostly true that almost all African Americans like chicken, and almost all Asians are smart. Now, not all of them possibly fill that stereotype, but most of them do.

Its the same here… not all Barbarians fill the ā€˜KS, My Monster, My Loot’ type of stereotype, but most of them in fact do. Be proud that you don’t, but also bare in mind that people will treat you differently just because of these generalizations.

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Nope some fit the type of ā€œKS,My Monster,My Loot, Then insult/harass the person ks’dā€ stereotype lol

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after i reach rank 3 barb i’d never use its costume outfit… went to royal mos 3-4f to farm some vikaras core and i wasnt killed stealed the only time i use my outfit when i reached lvl 90 for dungeons… thats why everytime i farm outside dungeon i remove the barb costume and pretend like a low lvl swordsman :smiley:

True story. For linker archers are even more of a problem than barbarians or melee clerics. Krivises like to put their Zaibas on top of my linked group of monsters too.

barb3 never ks someone, but i did ks by high lvl archer or party, archer with oblique could clean a map in few sec