I think so…but their Finestra gives 150 critical rate which saves 150 dex. Plus critical gives 1.5x damage so I guess overall their damage could cover up?
Need to do calculation to see if that’s true…hmmm
if we get the +50% slash damage buff on cleave it’s probably not such a good idea to go dragoon.
The other problem is that hoplite synergizes much better with dragoon.
You should not forget that finestra also increases AoE Attack Ratio by 3.
Hoplites will hit 3 more targets then a Barbarian with the same equipment.
It is 12 s because you can use spear lunge two times before it goes on cooldown.
And spear lunge not weakens targets to pierce it increases all pierce damage the target takes by 100 %.
Means you deal 100 % more damage with Hoplite/Dragoon skill and auto attacks.
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frenzy is 200 atk with attibute and 10 stacks afaik.
This is all in an ideal hypothetical situation, however.
During boss fights, there won’t always be 10 mobs to allow maximum Wary Cry buffs, and Frenzy takes time to build up. Cleave’s crit rate is not 100% sustainable unlike Finestra, which gives a much higher crit rate to begin with. Even if we consider kToS Cleave’s slash debuff, it benefits the Doppel skills more than Dragoon.
We’re not saying the synergy isn’t there, but the utility is much less unique and can be (arguably) better applied to other classes aside from Dragoon.
such as ? I only see fencer, doppel and dragoon.
and barbarian has quite a unique utility, it fit well to any build or choice right ?
maybe less to dragoon however.
I think the right choice here is going doppel circle 2…
there is however high potential for dragoon. and it’s interesting.
looking forward to see how it will work out good luck !
Highlander or Barbarian into Doppel
Hoplite into Dragoon. Not sure about Highlander but probably C1 for Cartar.
I think this post is ignorant. These 2 skills are the reason hoplite is chosen, if its not enough reason then no one would be hoplite.
almost a wash, but since you are going to be a dragoon, getting cleave wont give you the same benefit as spear lunge.
with the stats you save, this is almost a wash, except frenzy only has 20 stacks and falls off when you switch targets. Heck getting 2 skills to have almost the same output as 1 isnt really a good argument.
Yup, you seem to be forgetting the fact that hoplites generally either have more crit chance or higher str than you do. Plus with cleave it supports the idea even more that you shouldnt go dragoon and just get a higher cyclone.
Barbs generally do more damage against mobs (bec of warcry) while Hoplites deal more damage against Single targets (esp bosses) even moreso when they become dragoons.
By unique I’m talking about the weapon/stance requirements, sorry if I wasn’t clear on that earlier.
Thank you, that clear things… but most of them I already know…
first, frenzy have attribute for maintance, I can keep it on 10 without dropping stacks, regardless of how many target i switch.
second…
you are right, hoplite would be better, and consider the most used skill he is cyclone, barb has potential… but again … i am not hoplite.
and like said, will not reroll…
I don’t see reason to take doppel over dragoon.
and see see no reason to why dragoon will be bad.
sure so dragoon with hoplite is better, but who care ?
i’m not asking what is better… i’m asking what is viable, and what the con / pro
for that.
since i’m already barbarian doppel. i’m limited to 2 choices for next.
while doppel is not so impressive in my eyes…
beside, as I said at the post. i’m a tank… i’m looking for utility and less damage boost… doppel bring less utility then what dragoon will… this is why in first place it came to my mind.
I suggest that you just play what class you like or the weapon you prefer.
I like Greatsword, so i am going dopple c2 for sure.
You can also go shinobi. Thats what I will be doing with my pelta-barb3-doppel.
Mostly due to pvp reasons, so if youre only choosing for pve I’d say… I’d wait whether barbs buff will come over or not. If they do, that +50% slash damage will make doppel 2 definitely much more worth it. Its already worth it if you went into warcry and frenzy anyways, though I would probably do some weird ass build with it anyways.
Basically dragoon/shinobi would be the hoplite route, whereas when it comes to doppel I’d say both barb and rodelero qualify. Rodelero cause mordshlag is strike after all.
I don’t know how to feel about taking Rodelero at 7th rank. They don’t get High Kick for that strike debuff until 3rd circle, and by then much stronger classes and abilities will be available (we’re talking about being 10th rank by the time you have doppel > rod3).
Say what? You can take doppel starting class 4, so thats 4, 5, 6 and then potential doppel 7. Not sure how you counted that.
Bro, Doppel starts from Rank 6.
Yeah I ment doppel 7, rode 4, 5, 6. I mean, you can deduce as much from my previous post if you tried.
Ah I see. Thanks for enlightenment.
Not if you’re going barb 3 > rod > doppel, which was the assumption I was under when I responded to that post.
That would make no sense my friend. Even more since I described starting at rank 4 and in my first post I have already 6 ranks taken.
Anyhow do what you want with your char, was only trying to give people ideas on synergy.