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Barbarian c3 meta build? Need help

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

first of all, sorry for my bad english :sweat:
could this build specifically be the best set up for barbarian c3 after Kr updates?

Iā€™m thinking about the futureā€¦ Doppel c3 and Iā€™m confused trying to build my own build for FULL PVE DPSā€¦ like field farming and solo bossing

I have trouble deciding about maxing War cry, Frenzy, Cleave, Helm chopperā€¦ I donā€™t knowā€¦

I think that I need to max cleave because the nice debuff, the extra overheat and cd reduction
Frenzy for bossingā€¦ with only 10 second cool down and Warcry at lv 3 just for attribute requirements.

on the other hand I see this veteran doppel in youtube xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaABETxhdzk

but, I donā€™t understand much his build:

itā€™s worth to max cleave,helm chopper and not have buffs attack ?
My theorycraft build VS experienced player doppel build :grin:

can someone give me advice please?

#2

you can go with 5/5 gungho 2/5 pain barrier

Wagon Wheel sucks for damage,1 is enough for disable
Cartar is good 1~5, but 1-3 is more than enough for damage, 3 for attributes. This isnā€™t like archer, itā€™s 4 hits on all levels with only base damage as difference per skill level

Max warcry, itā€™s your steroid. Helm chopper is left at 1 because you have cartar stroke.

#3

how about crown for PVE? it works?
what is the real difference in numbers between warcry lv 3 and lvl 10?
aki sera said me in a coment that war cry is garbage actually :confused:
how it scale maxing vs attributes?

thank you for reply :slight_smile:

#4

Are you sure heā€™s not trolling you? 40s duration, 70s cd.
Lv3 warcry is 14 damage per target, Lv10 warcry is 30 damage per target, not counting attributes. Youā€™ll have 10 targets with Barb C3 attribute.

Warcry works on boss traps and tree root crystals, even icewall if you got cryo.

No warcry - warcry level 10 (didnt check if I got all the monsters, but you can see the result either way)

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See the huge boost? Now what happens if you move those skill points to helm chopper? You only boost helm chopper, nothing else. What Happens if you move it to warcry? You boost everything, not 100% uptime and requires targets around you, but itā€™s a big boost.

Crown helps as another shock applier, sometimes monsters can resist shock, so zornhau can fail

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#6

I like aki serĆ” e.e but i donā€™t understand why his build have warcry And frenzy at lv 0 :disappointed:

#7

You can listen to him if you wish to, but Iā€™ve already laid out to you what would happen if you put them in helm chopper. Itā€™s just helm chopper.

Warcry gets boosted with DOV also in case you didnt know

#8

Yeah I see a huge boostā€¦ I know max helm chopper is not good, Im saying that cleaveā€¦ if you see the first build my cleave is lvl 15 And chopper lv 1ā€¦
The comparison is lvl 15 cleave + lvl 3 war cry VS lvl 9 cleave +lvl 10 war cry, I know the last one sound better but, the options would be for different purposes ??

#9

problem with Cleave is that its just meh damage if you use it on enemies that are not stunned (like bosses). Itā€™s mostly being used now for its buff and debuff (50% more slash damage, +50 crit rate). It will be good for mobbing, but you have Seism, Pouncing (if Barb 3), Cartar (if you took Highlander) and Cyclone (if going Doppel). Those are better aoe mobbing skills than Cleave.

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#10

I found the explanationā€¦

aKi Sera said:

  • Takes away precious buff slots, frenzy and warcry are the least useful to maintain in buff slots, swordsman can only take up to 7 buffs and 8 at maximum with daino, and it will be Blessing-Sacrament-Gungho-Concentrate-DoV-Divine Might-Quicken-Haste

  • War cry sucks, not going to invest 10 skill points for something below mediocre, small aoe, long cast time, does too little, no buff slots for it, useless.

  • Same goes to Frenzy, takes away 10 skill points, no buff slots for it.

  • 70 atk hitting 10 mobs = 700 atk

  • in a group of mobs, in a group, group.

  • cast time

  • 10 skill level stripped away from barb

#11

So gung ho and concentrate over Warcry and Frenzy? really? REALLY?
Itā€™s simple. If you are having problems with buff slots, use gungho and concentrate only when those two buffs are out.

Gungho is 70 atk, 100% uptime.

You only need 2 more targets on warcry to achieve the same, better actually

ā€œRight nowā€ concentrate only adds 111 flat damage. Will be better after concentrate buff. You will have room for frenzy auto attacks when your skills are down.

ā€œWarcry long cast timeā€, I guess he doesnā€™t know how to cancel warcry animation even after playing barb for that long.

-Does too little
-Below mediocre
-look at gungho

#12

yeah, I agree with you,
I am surprised that he thinks thatā€¦ itā€™s probably his own style of play ?
I donā€™t knowā€¦ but you say me that max cleave and helm chopper isnā€™t worth and that makes sense lol xD

#13

I donā€™t feel like arguing, but seriouslyā€¦

Another thing to add is that warcry aoe is indeed small yes, but when comparing radius to cyclone itā€™s actually biggerā€¦so itā€™s pretty ideal to use it before cyclone.

#14

hmmmā€¦ I see
I canā€™t imagine his damage with that gear using frenzy and warcry o.O

#15

Heā€™s correct about frenzy, but warcry I donā€™t really think so, because in parties you really have little room to charge frenzy, so warcry is really better. The room for frenzy is just not there because parties move around a lot allowing your skills to breathe

But casting frenzy Lv10 alone without charging gives you 20 attack, and you can jump-attack so you donā€™t get locked into place while attacking+ moving around, this gives you time to charge it.

#16

so, frenzy is better for bossing meanwhile my skills are on cd? coz for kill mobs I should use skills, It is faster than accumulating frenzy stacks.

#17

Iā€™m following Aki sera too his Doppel is awesome.
I think Frenzy is useless and only show your real power vs boss, but in pve/grind is garbage.
I think Aki sera is right about Frenzy but not about Warcry, after update I really think that warcry is gonna be usefull.
Cleave is awesome now with crit rate bonus and debuff but buff/debuff time not scaling with skill lvl, idk if worth put 15 in cleave or helm.

#18

if frenzy at lvl 0, cleave is worth to max because 3 overheat and 16secs cd instead helm 2 overheat and 20 secs cd
BUT if swordsman lacks dps mainly on bosses, we need to max frenzy, right?
so, more filler damage farming or more damage bossing?
Assuming that frenzy have a good synergy.

#19

Whatā€™s your meaning of META BUILD? Seems like you got it wrong. Barbarian3 is not a meta build and one class is not a meta build, itā€™s a combination of 2 or more to create something different, mostly for PvE or PvP.

If you ask me? 100% attributes is the ā€œmetaā€ on swordies. Re-rolling a swordie wonā€™t make you any PRO. Developers tweak skills every patch. One day, Hoplite3 will be the ā€œnew metaā€. LOL

#20

Are you going Dopple

5 Pouncing, 10, Frenzy, 10 Seism, 10 War Cry.
1 Helm, Rest in Cleave, if you want you can take some points from Cleave to give to Post patch Giant Swing ( we dont have this patch yet).

Alternatively you can take points from Seism to put into Cleave as a stun Cleave combo has higher damage output then Seism as your power increases (but Bosses cannot be stunned).