Auto Que CM/DS design flaw -> triple weapon classes can't use skills(Scout)

mic01851165 · February 2, 2021, 10:20pm

So if you play a scout before you’d know we always use 3 weapons on most setup because this is how this game is designed. (class combination and such)

So why the hell we’re completely block off half of our class skills in auto que because it does not allow weapon swap?

The real question is why is the weapon in the offhand is considered a weapon swap to begin with?
We have 2 weapon slots for a reason.

Is this a design oversight or intentionally trying to kill off scouts for good?
Do KTOS change this already?

lindwyrmrag · February 3, 2021, 12:25am

I don’t get it too, so now scout are forbiden to auto match? scout is trash using only one kind of weapon, you have to play with pistol/dagger or the tree is mostly useless.

boraxte · February 3, 2021, 2:04am

+1

They should make it that both the 2 swapping slots are filled before entering so that you can swap between the 2 swapping slots, but not from inventory.

Going in with just 1 class skill with bm-clown-sin was just STUPID.

blackout_kx · February 3, 2021, 6:49am

have same problems with rode-reta =__=
i made 2 expencive sets, for this build, and now we have this -_-

draconis · February 3, 2021, 8:14am

I didn’t test it but you say you can’t use alt+z to swap your weapon in automatch content? That certainly looks like a bug and not a feature.

Swordies use swap sword for +2 to skills, summoners use swap rod to increase the power of their summons, that’s not even limited to scouts…

softwhitetissue · February 3, 2021, 8:43am

IMC haven’t played their game so they didn’t think of that scenario.

mic01851165 · February 3, 2021, 9:14am

I mean they rework the whole scout, how can they NOT know this?

pulgasxiii · February 3, 2021, 9:56am

tried using skill bar slot to equip weapon (durandal) doesn’t work.
also tried weapon slot (durandal) switch on controller doesn’t work also.

skywing22 · February 4, 2021, 6:14am

Give up brothers. The last paragraph already clearly shown that they will pretend scout doesn’t exists.

4lkruzeth · February 4, 2021, 6:32am

If I recall, wasn’t the auto-swap restriction placed because DPS Clerics in KToS started queuing in auto-match CMs using 1H-Mace + Shield to pretend to be healers and then swap to 2H-Mace + Ornaments during queuing or something?

Then again, even DPS Clerics not intending to queue as healers will like to be able to swap for equipment effects (Monk Mace is 1H-Mace, I want my Lvl 8 Iron Skin and Lvl 4 Golden Bell Shield oTL).

softwhitetissue · February 4, 2021, 6:46am

what is wrong with that? O_o

4lkruzeth · February 4, 2021, 7:01am

I didn’t follow the thing too closely, but its something about Healers not getting the reduced reward penalty from not dealing damage (this was before IMC added weird damage shenanigans and like Heal: Corrupted Spheres, restrictions and stuff to healers … I think or something, can’t remember this was last year).

Still, a dumb move for IMC to cut off auto-swapping, especially when the mechanic existed for so long.

mic01851165 · February 4, 2021, 7:12am

I mean they design the scout like this and scout is forced to spend more money for 3 weapons for the longest time and now they just pretend it is not valid?

Just because of 0.1% of abusers they cut 20% community?
Why? Because everyone and their mom bandwagon to mergen/ shadowmancer/fencor?

They said they’re satisfied with the restriction, but then they make cm in a way auto que takes 3 min and normal cm takes 7+ mins. And make sure auto que has better drop too it seems.
How’s it fair then?
Also do they even know how much weekly auto que they introduced already?
The 458 dgn ?

4lkruzeth · February 4, 2021, 7:44am

Haha, I’m just the messenger, I have no clue what they’re doing either. Imagine forcing healers to DPS and negate a rather core mechanic of combat for a certain content (what is casualization again?) to deal with a negligible issue.

Words from an old player or something:

“IMC knows the problem and are intent on fixing it, but they’re incredibly inept at doing so.”

ligerre98 · February 4, 2021, 9:13am

hmm I don’t know about cleric thing, I thought it was because they don’t want everyone and their mother rocking time rush or echo vvr ichor then switch to main weapon.

mic01851165 · February 4, 2021, 9:57am

Like I said trying to leech inside harm himself too more so than pt.
People care about efficiency too, so just becuz 0.1% abuser will rush in with trash gears, it is ok for Scout to leech half of the time cuz half of our skill bars cant be casted?
Isn’t that EVEN WORSE than gear switch to enter?
So is ok that a class enter and only able to use half of its skill but not ok to come in with a weaker vvr?
WHAT IS THIS LOGIC?

ALSO ONLY GILTENE RAID HAS VVR CHECK.

draconis · February 5, 2021, 8:00am

Note that this restriction system, although preventing valid people to join because they miss a pointless restriction (I want to use Asio ichor on my trinket for faster casting but I can’t? seriously?) will NOT prevent people meeting the requirements to join and simply AFK during CM/DS, ruining everyone else’s run…

Fenatte · February 5, 2021, 10:42am

CM gives you less silver if you just afk and dont contribute. I don’t know about singu, but i’d assume its the same thing.

Mage15 · February 5, 2021, 10:49am

The investment it takes to actually be a viable scout, is you pay for 3 weapons. All needs to be high enhance value. 6 ichors in total, 3 weapons to gem and to apply set effect. Only to be useless in auto-match.

ligerre98 · February 5, 2021, 11:19am

trinket ichor actually work with 380, I’m still using wastrel ichor