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[ASK] Help me pick my rank 6&7

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

Hi everyone

As title says i need help to pick my rank 6 & 7

I want a chaplain so the first 5 rank will be obvius, but i have problem to pick rank 6 & 7. I want to be useful in party dungeon/quest/grind but i also want to be able to solo things on my own, so i dont know the build that i should pick. I have some build in mind tho.

The class that i’m considering is

Cleric C1 > Priest C3 > Chaplain > Krivis > Plague Doctor

Cleric C2 > Priest C3 > Chaplain > Plague Doctor

Cleric C2 > Priest C3 > Chaplain > Krivis

These 3 are the class that i can think of, or are there any other possibility beside these 3?

Stat allocation will be 50-100 con and the rest Int.
Thx

#2

There is another good option for an INT-based Chaplain build that you don’t have listed, which is a Cleric 1, Priest 3, Chaplain, Druid 2 build. :slight_smile: I find for people wanting to solo, that is the only build that really offers enough damage to be able to effectively cope with the high health of monsters in late game - though you will still face some difficulty since grinding solo will be a nightmare late game no matter what.

However, if you’re more interested in party dungeon and group play, something like the Cleric 2, Priest 3, Chaplain, Plague Doctor or Cleric, Priest 3, Chaplain, Krivis, Plague Doctor build would be better. When you’re dealing with party snobs (which you will find a lot of late game), a lot of them aren’t willing to invite Cleric classes that don’t offer Daino and/or 10+ heal tiles.

Parties either want you to be able to bring lots of heals to the group, or the ability to stack more buffs so they can do more damage and kill faster. They really aren’t concerned with the amount of damage you can give out, because your damage will still be lower than anyone else’s at that point. :frowning: That’s just how it is. If they wanted more damage, they would just take someone else and be able to kill faster and level faster, it gives them absolutely no incentive to bring you.

I would say there really isn’t a Chaplain build that is very effective at being able to be a good party support AND a good solo play character, you really have to choose one or the other when it comes to Chaplains due to how the late game is set up. I have 4 Chaplains of different types, and that is what I have found the case to be. I still love all my Chaplains either way, but honestly the Cleric 2/Plague Doctor one is the one that always gets the most invites, with the Druid 2 build getting the second highest amount of invites (more so for field-leveling than dungeons).

If you’re anything like me, I think seeing some of these builds in action might be beneficial so you can tell which type would better suit your playstyle, as that is the most important thing at the end of the day. :slight_smile: If you don’t like how a character plays, it’ll never end up reaching Rank 7, so that’s very important to keep in mind when building your character. Be sure to make it something you want to play.

These are the Druid 2 INT-based build against random mobs and against a boss:


Here’s an INT-based Cleric 1, Priest 3, Chaplain, Krivis, Plague Doctor build soloing a high level mission (2 bosses at once):

For the Druid 2 build against Dullahan, watch when she has to heal herself. Notice how even as an INT-based character her 5 heal tiles are just barely enough heals for herself? That is what it will be like at high levels doing content if you don’t have Cleric 2, there won’t be enough heal times to go around for 5 people and it will create a lot of frustration. So if you go with a build that doesn’t include Cleric 2, be prepared for that scenario.

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#3

Wait…
You cant be C2P3 Chap Druid 2 until r8 O_O

#4

Whoops, sorry! That was a typo, it’s a Cleric 1, Priest 3, Chaplain, Druid 2 build I was referring to. Just big fingers and small number pad keys. :slight_smile: Thanks for catching it.

I’ve edited the post now. Ahaha, if we could go Cleric 2 with Druid 2, that would make it possible to get the best of both worlds! :stuck_out_tongue: But that isn’t possible yet, so currently sacrifices in one department or the other must be made.

#5

I wouldn’t hurry anywhere with it now if you have other chars to play with… X) I would wait for rank 8 and decide it after that.

#6

Thx for the in depth insight >.<

The real reasons why i confuse to pick are those reasons, i want to be able to support my party with enough heal tiles and also want to provide them with daino which is a great skill to have later in the game.

I also want to ask about Daino scroll, i read somewhere that you should not take krivis because of daino scroll. is it true?

#7

Yeah, i also want to wait for rank 8 so i can tweak my build.

#8

It is true that some people would say to replace Krivis with another class and just buy Daino scrolls, which is easy to say in theory, but it can be less than ideal in practice. Still, it is most certainly an option! :slight_smile:

The reason I say this is since Daino scrolls only last a little over 3 minutes and often cost around 5k each, that gets expensive very quickly. Let’s say you do 3 dungeon runs in a day and each run takes 30 minutes, to keep Daino up while buying Daino scrolls, you just threw away roughly 150k.

Then when it comes to high level grinding parties where you’re there for hours and hours, you’re basically throwing away every bit of silver you make - likely even making yourself entirely broke when you stack that with the expense of the materials for your priest buffs (and Chaplain’s Capella, if you get that and ever use it).

A lot of people who play full supports kind of draw the line there, as it can be frustrating to be playing the character that can’t easily solo kill, who then also throws away all their silver. It’s like adding insult to injury and a lot of people straight up refuse to do it. Still, it’s an entirely possible thing to do if you’re comfortable with that.

#9

That is also the reason why i want to pick krivis instead of cleric c2. but i just hate it when people keep asking for heal just because they are so dumb when they know there is a cleric in the party and just keep attacking without dodging the attack.

#10

Krivis is more for the SPR based build cause Zalciai scales with SPR.

Still, the whole Daino scroll discussion should bring up another thing. Why should only the cleric provide those? Everyone can buy and use them! Should the Wizard or Archer bring the scrolls cause they need them to make up for a low buff limit, not the Cleric!

#11

I actually argue that with grind parties all the time! It’s very frustrating, I know. 3 of my 4 Chaplain builds don’t have Krivis at all and in the end, I never buy Daino scrolls. I tell the party to either supply one or just tell me which of my wondrous buffs they want and which they don’t, because they have to choose otherwise. :stuck_out_tongue: That works sometimes, haha. However, I have constantly encountered this annoying habit of them just --expecting-- me to be the one to supply the Daino scrolls (I don’t know if this is because other support grinders do or what).

It’s really annoying when they argue, “Well, you’re the Cleric character, you’re the only one who has the option of getting Daino and you passed it up, so you should supply the scroll since you’re the one that messed up.” I start seeing red when they say stuff like that, I usually end up passing over parties like that entirely. It’s like, “Okay then, I guess you don’t want my 10+ heal tiles and awesome buffs. :slight_smile: I’ll go find someone else who does, happy grinding!”

Also, I wouldn’t necessarily say Krivis is any more or less for a SPR or INT based Chaplain because it really can be an equal split either way since there are benefits for both. With my INT-based Chaplain that uses Krivis in the build I actually don’t have Zalciai at all, I put 5 points into the other 3 skills since a lot of parties used to complain when I cast Zalciai since it would sometimes overwrite one of the better party buffs even with the use of Daino being active.

#12

Hah, you are right. In my own build, I have Krivis instead of Chaplain, reasons for that are not topic here. Burning off 150k just to supply Daino scrolls for a day’s runs is not an option to many people. I never experience such arguments cause I have the skill myself. However, if that is even possible with the trade restrictions, collecting a payment from the party members for scrolls would be nice. The whole annoying habit stems from something far simpler. Everyone can do it, so why me? Well, in their logic, Clerics should be thankful for even having the chance to scroll supply skills, unlike those peltasta-less swords. Does this expand to Dievs having to bring scrolls of all priest skills to avoid toxic arguments?

Their argument makes me demand a Pardoner/Enchanter equivalent for Swordman, although i condemn the whole scroll system. Then I could proudly blame those peltasta-less swordmen for not bringing swashbuckling scrolls.

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#13

If you dont mind, could you share all of your 4 chaplain build? also the stat allocation. Thx

#14

Sure thing! :slight_smile:

This is my INT-based Druid 2 build:


Base stats: 215 points invested into INT (creating 443 points), with 64 points invested in CON (creating 84 points). All of the points I received from statues and quest line completion also went into CON, but I don’t have the ability to log into the game right now and check how many I ended up with.

Here’s my SPR-based Pardoner 2 build:


Base stats: 224 points in SPR (293 after bonuses), 55 points in CON (73 after bonuses).

This is a build I have that works great with SPR or INT, or as a mix.


I’m using this build as a mixed build currently, but it was INT-based before I stat reset it (just pure INT, nothing else). The current stats I use with this build are: 141 points in INT (284 after bonuses), 92 points in SPR (121 after bonuses), 46 points in CON (62 after bonuses). If I were to have this build be more DPS-focused I would put more of those points into INT, but this was meant to be more support focused.

Here’s my INT-based Chaplain that includes Krivis in the build.


Base stats: 224 points in INT (462 after bonuses), 55 points in CON (73 after bonuses).

Lastly, I am working on a 5th Chaplain build:


It’s currently at rank Priest 3, so not a Chaplain just yet. I’m leveling it as a full DEX build, but I’m going to stat reset it to a SPR-based build once it hits Chaplain. :slight_smile:

I’m kind of obsessed with Chaplains, I must admit…

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#15

Thx a lot!

I also love to make many characters with different build, but the downside is the quest felt quiet repetitive after the 2nd one. It is not wise to ignore quest but its to boring to do it. Thats also the reason why im asking for build because its to boring to quest and i dont want to make to many character too :smile:

Anyway thanks again!

#16

Just curious about the reason pick krivis over chaplain. I would like to know too if you dont mind explaining.

#17

Well, it is a quite fundamental thing. To me, Chaplain is not a support class. Therefoe, if your aim is a full support cleric, a different class is the way to go.

Basically, Cleric2-Priest3 is the core of a support priest, with PD being the goal as of current R7 system. That leaves R6 as a kind of filler, for which I took Krivis. It goes well with SPR-based builds cause of Zalciai. Krivis adds 3 buffs to the build, which are all useful. Though Aukuras might be looked down on, it somehow stacks with certain Squire food buffs.

You could pick Chap as the said filler, but that would both defeat the purpose of a full support build and Chap itself. “Chaprushing”, a negative term I am using for those people being Chaplain at R5, is done, in my opinion, for only one purpose. That is to have easier questing from the time you get it. So you want it as quickly as possible. However, delaying Cleric2 hurts your support capability during the first grindwall around 155 greatly. Which you need to deal with yourself, cause by picking Chap, you made a decision towards solo play. Last Rites is the only buff, which mainly benefits your solo play. Only QS have a use from it, cause it is like another Sacrament, buffing autoattacks.

Apart from that, many Chaplains use the class as a kinda justification to wear Cafripaper even in dungeons, then being surprised at their deaths from being squishy. Same goes for supporters using offhand daggers instead of shields. Both things are fine for soloing, but got no place in parties. Mentioning that to dying Chaps produces toxic arguments similiar to the Daino scrolls.

So, the whole Chaplain enthusiasm kinda surprises me, cause I dont think, the “title” of a full support can be applied to a build containing Chaplain. To me, it is a waste to go Chaplain if you are Priest3, not the other way around. But opinions differ, naturally. Cleric2-Priest3-Chap-PD is quite common and they still do their job quite well as supports. To me, that is only viable cause a major reason for discrimination (like Pelt1-Swash for swords) is absent.

Bottom line, it is a matter of personal opinion of the classes in question. Apart from Krivis, Oracle is another common filler. I do not regret my choice. Questing to about 210 is entirely possible, solo, without Chap. I am the living proof. Chap is a class for those who dont mind sacrificing support ability for solo ability.

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