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Archer is dead /2020

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#1

“Archer is dead”, told by someone I partied in Solmiki. Here’s my side:

I’ve turned out to be a casual player of ToS after almost 1.5-ish years of playing it. After mainly Saalus runs, lately I’d log off and play other games like CS:GO, SC2, LoL. Because after playing for a long time, like many others I soon realized that pvp (or for this game “TBL”) is too broken.

I chose Archer for the gameplay. And I am aware it is mainly a PvE build. (Ar2-QS3-Falco3-Mergen).

Do I care if I will be easily pawned in TBL with my build? Bloody hell no. Because I specifically made the build to EXCEL in pve. But to say that “Archer is dead” is the thinking of narrow-minded people who highly think that since they do “good” in TBL, aside from themselves everything else is a “dead class/build”.

My point is don’t compare apples and oranges. ToS offers tons of different builds you can personalize depending on what you love to play.

I enjoy my character but I dont go telling people “your build sux” because you dont excel in one area.

TBL in this game is broken (cleric specifically). So archer is not dead. The game’s pvp system is broken.

Rant over

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#2

I agree with you.

Generally the “Archer is dead” sentiment is hyperbole, with the proper equipment and decent build, Archers can do fine, and there are plenty of fully competitive builds, but of the 4 class types Archers are in the worst state.

Comparisons of PVP viability are pretty strange considering how few people actually participate (though this is no doubt a feedback loop), and most of the content being PVE focused, but players have their own interests and making a build that can do as much as possible is useful.

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#3

can players attack them if they ride the falcon? sounds like a nice recon for tbl

#4

Just ignore these kind of people, I play 4 archers and enjoy all of them. Archer is love, archer is life, lvling up the 5th one ready to be a pied piper

#5

Thanks guys. I did try to enlighten the guy but apparently he’s close-minded. Even told me having max level 100 enhance attributes do not make you strong… so what does? Lol.

I just hope that players who enjoy archer gameplay and dedicate effort on one keep playing as archers. Ain’t this one way of promoting build diversity and avoiding metas?

If we all choose to make broken builds then everyone would say the game is boring. Wtf :slight_smile:

#6

PvP, no matter what the game, will always and forever be, broken

#7

Hunter builds are dead tho… And no update for it in the foreseeable future.

#8

Kinda agree on this, specific classes under Archer are very unrewarding and virtually unplayable but this is not only for archers. Yet again, archer in itself is not dead I’d say

#9

Well, I played ToS and i picked archer and it was a thing back in 16 til early 17. I just came back from a long break of a year, and now pissed off coz archer is dead in PvP and im more of a PvP type of guy. Not a fan of PvE.

#10

Yep you will really have a hard time as archer if you like pvp mate

You are better off with a cleric or wiz in pvp

#11

Yea made a cleric now. FML but tbh i really love archer. also invested a lot. hope i can transfer my attribute worth 500k points to my cleric. Such waste

#12

If you love archers stick with it! Just create another toon for pvp…

#13

dont give up yet on pvp, need to wait until pied piper come to itos, with shitton of cc and stealth reveal maybe pied can perform well in pvp as a cc supporter like cryo?

honestly, why the f IMC make us archers wait for too long? my newest archer is 360 already and still no pied, so sad :sad::sad:

#14

I play archer as well, is not dead… i think ita fine in the game role(pve talking). But its sad that the others tree have the same damage or even more than a full archer build, but with the plus of more hp/def…i am planning to change de class tree because of that…but yes, archer is love and its fun…

#15

We all play what we love to play… My other toons are different class builds for fun. But still I have the liking for archers

Tos has sooo much potential. Sorry for tbl lovers, pls take no offense, but if I like pvp in an mmorpg I will probably play something else. I m not satisfied being content in a small “arena” where just building specific builds will obviously give you a huge advantage.

This arena is even only available at certain times of the day… I get that. But really, just 1 map since game opened…? Map is even half of a floor in solmiki In size

If not for tos’ anime like graphics I could have quitted this game so long ago

#16

Archer is fine for PVP. Most of the people saying archers are bad in PVP have invested nothing in their archer (gear, attributes, etc), have a terrible class build for PVP (ie picked up no relevant skills for PVP), are full dex and wondering why they get oneshot by everything and do zero damage, or have not actually PVPed on their archer in several content patches.

Here’s a tip that applies to more than just archers and PVP in Tree: Every single person who has an opinion about how something operates in this game is regurgitating something that they heard from someone else and haven’t even made the attempt. I’d be willing to bet that the guy who said archers are dead has not even done TBL as much as a single time.

Hunters were overnerfed to compensate for how good they were for over a year. The same thing happened to the meta fletcher build, which is now seeing love again with the buffs. Hunter will be fixed, and probably sooner than you’d think.

#17

Archers are not literally dead in PVP. Musketeers are deadly with the right team composition and occasionally burst DPS Cannoneers or SRs. But as a class tree in the bigger picture, Archers are seriously disadvantaged in PVP currently and always got to find ways to circumvent CCs, Missle Holes, Froster Lords and R7 on a match by match basis. The existing match making mechanism doesn’t do us any favours by pairing 2 Archers against 2 Clerics or in more extreme cases, against 3. My last match was against 2 CC Sage so anyone can imagine how long the Missle Holes lasted. Lastly, it doesn’t help when at least 50% of the PVP population in my server are Clerics, especially Zealots. Its still fun and challenging to play Archers in PVP though. I loose more matches than I win but feel the overall satisfaction when overcoming the odds and natural disadvantage archers have to score a victory.

#18

I still wish for a Scout rework.
Make Split Arrow like Magic Missile and make it no overheat, something like that would work.

And for record, I love archers and will always do. I only don’t have Cannoneer and Hackapeel yet, and I’m planning a Cannoneer already.

#19

First, archer really is dead in PvP wise that is pretty simple.
There isn’t a single good PvP tree for archer.

Second, all the physical attack charcaters(including swordman) should care about their sepc much more than magic attack type characters. (crit chance, accuracy, block penetration)
And because you have to invest certain amount (actually very good amount) to dex and str, your con automatically drops and become vulnerable even more to magic attacks.

Yes, archer is fun PvE wise but they are bound to class specific weapons thats hardly compatible with other archer classes.

For mages, you only need a staff. And doesn’t have to care about AOE attack ratio

I understand him whining

#20

I can think of at least 4 or 5 that people are actively using right now.

lol