Another Cleric Class Problem! (AA build)

[c2gaming.seetoo]

The priest philosophy of support is to support by offering additional healing

Not unique to priests. “Additional” healing is only needed when you “need it”. Props if you understand this.

and buffs that provide immunity

Immunity is granted after death and does NOTHING before you die.

buffs that provide additional damage, defense,

Requires the recipient not have pardoner buffs as priest buffs can’t overwrite them.

and stats

Again, does not require the priest to begin with. In addition the additional stats become irrelevant the more people start getting better gear. C.atk? W.atk contributes WAY more to damage. Atk speed? Only relevant to AA builds as “faster execution” still results in the same dps. B.pen? You have way more than enough pre-monstrance at the significant lvs of DEX.

In fact the build could do with priest1 and he would have free [monstrance] (and 1 rez).

All but 1 perk of being a support priest you mention are there without the priest present.

@yodish92
I think because cleric 1-3 can heal, that makes priest heals a more expensive opportunity cost. I’m also not actually suggestion to use [heal] offensively for a build that wants to focus on “support”

To address your concern directly, I’m trying to argue that there are better options to priest for support. Seeing the OP wants a chaplain though makes that point moot as a suggestion hence I followed with the conditions that maximize the use of what priests do offer “counter to death” (to put it simply). See all clerics counter damage, but only priests can counter death (and the effects of death - no buffs).

[Remiri]

Some more complete falsehoods:

[monstrance] is scrollable and is inexpensive at 700s to craft and is only really ever used for bossing on an AA build. IF you want to count the damage, that damage from [monstrance] c.atk becomes less and less relevant the better your weapon is.

No. Monstrance is used all the time, and people don’t carry around monstrance scrolls, lol. DEX increase also boosts attack speed, and this is an AUTO-ATTACK build.

[exorcise] only has use if you plan to use the horrible [magnus exorcismus].

No. Exorcise is a total of 4725% SFR damage and the cast comes out quickly, great for bosses and small mobs.

[stone skin] is an already over nerfed skill with very specific damage it can mitigate and isn’t even 100% uptime for the small amount it does mitigate making it only useful for mitigating WB nukes (which btw you can’t really predict).

Pathetic attempt to say that Stone Skin is not a support skill lol. Has 100% uptime with Capella for bosses.

Also this is a thread about auto-attack builds. Your only option is Chaplain, so you have to get Priest3 anyways. Unless there is some other, non-chaplain auto-attack build to suggest.

[yodish92]

clerics can heal better than priests but they can also nuke the living ■■■■ out of monsters with it lol, its not like your confined to just healing with cleric, which is why getting mass heal to replace heal as an actual recovery skill makes sense, besides, priest offers death immunity anyway, so healing isnt as required when supporting.

[Nekorin]

You’ll have to ask @Nekorin if IMC is keeping [daino] + [breaking wheel] and burn interaction of doubling hits in ktest/ktos.

They fixed it. Daino+Breaking Wheel no longer doubles the additional lines of attacks. The recent patch nerfs Inquisitors even more as Malleus Maleficarum don’t affect bosses anymore. From 7/2 patch:

All Field & Mission Bosses will no longer become afflicted with Malleus Maleficarum’s Debuff.

No more bonus up to 10k+ damage per auto for bosses sigh (counting 5 hits per auto of bonus 2k damage each). I understand it is too much for the new bosses and their patk/matk but that’s kind of an over nerf. They could just make it have a cap or base it off level or something.

One other cleric AA build without Chaplain I would recommend is Cleric1>Krivis3>Sadhu3>Inquisitor1 > (Cleric2/Zealot1/some other class).

It is a good alternative as Transmit Prana adds damage to the Daino autos too (not counting the sacrament/enchant fire lines) and going Sadhu makes the build more robust as it can double as a caster build with fairly good AoE without relying too much on breaking wheel only.

Something along like this: https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#41333666g1.1a2a345561.113e4f5a65.11214f5a65.756185

[yodish92]

flames are still nutty though right?
thats the only thing keeping krivis > inquistor alive lol.

[Remiri]

Don’t really need Krivis in the auto-attack build after the daino + breaking wheel nerf, though it is nice.

I currently roll with C1 - Priest3 - Chap - Oracle - Kabba - Inquis1 - Zeal1 for a hybrid pvp build. Zeal1 gives immolation’s attribute which adds fire property damage as well as having a nice AOE, and the Inquis1 flames are still as crazy as always.

[c2gaming.seetoo]

No. Monstrance is used all the time

Because it’s there and its free with a priest1, but costs a party slot requiring a priest. Further more it’s not even needed for majority/ a lot of content. It’s also only relevant if OP is using DEX in which case his lv10 [sacrament] would suffer.

No. Exorcise is a total of 4725% SFR damage and the cast comes out quickly, great for bosses and small mobs.

Again, there are way better options for DPS.

Pathetic attempt to say that Stone Skin is not a support skill lol. Has 100% uptime with Capella for bosses.

Its an attempt to show how [stone skin] is not a GOOD support skill. I didn’t say it WASN’T a support skill. The entire premise to my post was that the priest3 kit is bad for what it costs. The question “How exactly do you plan to “support” with this build?” does not automatically imply the priest kit is not support, that’s you putting words into my mouth. The question CAN imply “not good” or “bad”.

Also this is a thread about auto-attack builds. Your only option is Chaplain, so you have to get Priest3 anyways. Unless there is some other, non-chaplain auto-attack build to suggest.

Chaplain is NOT the only AA build to clerics. Krivis has 1 less line of atk but also costs 1 less rank opening up other builds that can provide other forms of support. Support which I think is generally better than what priest3 provides.

See this?

You can also go cheaper on the rank cost by going krivis3 instead of chap.

That is the attempt to sway OP into the krivis AA build instead of chaplain. OP said he didn’t like going krivis+chap. He didn’t say not liking krivis only options.

[Remiri]

Further more it’s not even needed for majority/ a lot of content.

Nothing is needed for the joke that is this current content. People are two-man/soloing Challenge 5 and the Raid. ET is a waste of time and a joke to complete at 360. So unless you have a support skill that prevents disconnects and crashes, this point could extend to the majority of class makeups.

Again, there are way better options for DPS.

Give me a Rank 4 option that is higher DPS than 4725% SFR that you can cast and then continue auto-attack. You can’t.

Chaplain is NOT the only AA build to clerics. Krivis has 1 less line of atk but also costs 1 less rank opening up other builds that can provide other forms of support. Support which I think is generally better than what priest3 provides.

See this?

At least nekorin gave an actual build to compare to.

[Kannushi]

SFR damage

I didn’t understand the sfr. Do you mean Spr points or matk?

[Remiri]

Sorry, SFR is shorthand for Skill Factor.

[c2gaming.seetoo]

Nothing is needed for the joke that is this current content. People are two-man/soloing Challenge 5 and the Raid. ET is a waste of time and a joke to complete at 360. So unless you have a support skill that prevents disconnects and crashes, this point could extend to the majority of class makeups.

Oooo, so [monstrance] IS not needed. They’re all not needed and yet something like 20% less CD does so much more than 30% more DEX. Again, the premise of better options.

Give me a Rank 4 option that is higher DPS than 4725% SFR that you can cast and then continue auto-attack. You can’t.

Taking the CD into account (as one looking at dps should), [cure]. And it’s 1 rank cheaper too making it a “better option”. There are other factors to bring [cure] down, but since we aren’t looking at the down side to skills …

[Kannushi]

Could you send your tos.neet.tv build please? Also did you invest all your stat points into Dex?

[Remiri]

Give me an auto-attack build that includes Laima Statue if you are going to use it as a comparison.

Could you send your tos.neet.tv build please? Also did you invest all your stat points into Dex?

Sure!
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#41222c8fgj.152535.1f2145516a9875.153545.24556195.153545.75446185.11253445

It is a PVP build so the later ranks are very ‘rainbow’ to cover as many PVP situations as I can. The Stat build is a split of DEX and CON, for PVP survivability, attack speed, and block pen.

[Kannushi]

Very nice. For PvP, doesn’t Inquisitor 2 helps with that maiden skill that traps the enemy? Also, if you would go 100% pve, which build would you follow

[Remiri]

Yeah if another reset comes my way I would consider Inquis2 for Iron Maiden. It is very strong. I chose Zeal1 to give myself more ranged damage, mobility, and knockdown prevention.

100% pve would be the meta AA-build, Cleric1 - Priest3 - Chap - Krivis3 - Inquis1. Even after the Daino + Wheel changes it will still beat out every auto-attack build out there.