found this sorc, farming afk, so i watched for a bit… he have a measured time to pop a MP pot and re-summon the Temple shooter, but seens he doesnt move his temple shooter arround the room…
Using macro to pop MP pots/hp pots/ skills with a measured time… the powerful IMC bot ban robot can identify that player and ban?
i reported he for fun… also sent a friend request, just to see if he get ban…
If IMC dont give any response for this, i will just wait free to play and test it myself 
Yes, macro is banable if u use it for AFK botting.
But don’t use bot report ingame to report this.
You should record video and report on the forum or support.
Same case with the Hold Z AFK.
Holding z to auto-attack is not allowed? I was eating with one hand and the other on z, for 15 mins… Where is the line drawn between botting and holding z while doing other things?
that’s exactly what botting is… so “report bot” is perfectly accurate here.
the fact that the character never moves seems to suggest they are simply trying to exploit what they think is a loophole in the rules.
You should read about the report bot function again.
@crumbleberrypie Holding Z AFK will be reviewed 1 by 1 case.
In your case the chance to get ban is low if you Hold Z just for 15 mins 1 time.
There are some people outhere AFK with Auto Attack like 7-8 hours a day when they sleepping, and that is banable.
large sections of the forums seem to think it’s been officially called acceptable to put a rock on your Z key and walk away.
idk how accurate this is, or where they get the source from.
if you’re using a macro to pop skills/potions, then you’re botting. running a timed macro requires a 3rd party program to operate it for you.
z-afk means you’ve literally just weighted/taped the z-key down and walked away. a z-afk’er will do nothing except constantly swing their weapon.
if you’re sitting there eating a sandwich with a finger holding the z-key, you’re not afk, you’re “actively” playing the game.
@PoohVz i can recall from memory: you should not use the “report bot” function to report z-afk’ers because they are not botting, and when the investigation concludes this, your RII will be penalized.
it’s simply a matter of where the line is drawn between what is botting, and what is not.
Again, Z-botting is illegal.
And the report bot system may not ban because it trace the player’s history to make decision so may cause you lose your RII points.
These cases should be report by different ways like forum, support, and it will be handled differently by each case.
They not need to know you are using a macro, or just putting some heavy object to auto attack, but if you do it so usual that will make you become a bot. And ban will be waiting for you
source?
and do you consider z-botting to be the same thing as z-afking?
eg, just weighing down the z key and walking away, with nothing else happening.
…because if something else is happening, you are not z-botting/ z-afking, you are just botting, even if you are just standing still.
Pooh is right.
“For example, a player going afk while leaving a heavy object on the attack key has to be handled differently from regular bots. The classifier can deem the afk player innocent from looking at the honest play records, so afk players should not be reported using the report function as that will work against your RII.”
If anything, they do consider it botting. “has to be handled differently from regular bots”
They say not to use the bot report funcion to report them because it could work against your RII, not becuase its ok to do.
in regards to Z - botting, here’s a quote from https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=377 :
“For example, a player going afk while leaving a heavy object on the attack key has to be handled differently from regular bots. The classifier can deem the afk player innocent from looking at the honest play records, so afk players should not be reported using the report function as that will work against your RII.”
This official IMC post is what leads many people (self included) to believe that z-botting is ok. Using macros for skills, movements, pots etc = programmed botting. Rock on the Z key = not programmed = not botting
Edit: or maybe they’re saying Z-botting should be reported in the forums?
It’s still be consired as botting but shouldn’t be reported via report bot function.
z-botting and z-afking are the same for me.
Standing still and shooting for like 7-8 hours a day is botting. And if someone catch you in action and report on forum, there will be a chance that you will be banned.
@Gringe @haelsemikiro @PoohVz
yea, that’s exactly the line i was referring to. “do not use the report bot function to report z-afk’ers, because it might negatively affect your RII”
but they didn’t say it -wasn’t- ok to do either. a lot of people seemed to think there was official -permission- to z-afk long before that post was made. not just “it has been ignored in the past” but actually as far as “it has been announced as ok by people with authority.”
this post has very vague english in it, which can easily be read to support either side:
“For example, a player going afk while leaving a heavy object on the attack key has to be handled differently from regular bots.”
-a; because it’s not a bot.
-or-
-b; because this sort of bot doesn’t behave like others
…the system can easily be set to determine that standing still and swinging your sword for several hours is “suspicious” at the very least… so why does it need to be handled differently?
“The classifier can deem the afk player innocent from looking at the honest play records”
-a; because the player is innocent of botting
-or-
-b; because the system misinterprets this as legitimate actions
note: CAN deem the afk player innocent… which would normally be read as “the system is automatically able to tell that the player is not doing anything wrong”
from looking at the “honest play records” --again reinforcing that idea.
either the first part has iffy english with the phrase “regular bots”, if z-afkers are not considered bots at all
or the second part has iffy english, saying “can” instead of “might”, and using the phrase “honest play records”.
…of the two, the first option is the much simpler mistake, and “they are not regular bots” could be read almost as easily as “they are not bots.”
as a side note, in supporting the idea that z-afking is NOT bannable, i have seen GM responses in a thread where the player claimed he was banned while doing just that. the GM reported that after re-investigating the case, they felt the player had been banned in error, and the ban was removed.
speculating… it’s really a self-limiting thing anyway.
…z-afkers need to stick themselves in a corner, or mobs will eventually end up behind them. since they’re pointed the wrong way, any mob worth hunting would eventually take the player down. being stuck in a corner really limits where someone can do this.
…assuming they do find a good spot to go, they then become dependent upon mobs spawning in front of their weapon, or at least wandering close. this will narrow down suitable farming spots even further.
…if they find a safe location, where mobs actually do wander over… the longer they keep at it, the less they get out of it. at the current spawn rates, how many mobs will actually pop up during the night? at hundreds of basic mobs per level “at level” to start with… if enough ever wander over to raise the character’s level, they now need even more mobs for the next level. if they manage to gain several levels, they start to hit the exp penalty zone, and the number of mobs needed per level skyrockets, as more exp is needed per-level, and at the same time each mob becomes worth less exp.
… silver might have some gains, as the incredibly large pickup range means you won’t lose any, but it’s still limited by the number of mobs that will wander over to you. however, items could easily fall out of reach of their short pickup range, and simply be lost.
all in all, this is significantly less effective than simply flat grinding in an area. if i were looking at this situation in a game i was running, i might simply think it wasn’t worth the trouble to bother with.
i’m not saying i support it. honestly, if you feel you need to do this to keep up or whatever, then you are probably playing the wrong game.
but at the same time, z-afk’ers are easy to avoid and aren’t going to end up KS’ing anyone other than by accident (of a mob picks the wrong direction to flee in), so there are a lot of other issues i think need higher priority.
The whole classifier thing was deisinged to take care of the bots that run around all day and thats all they do the entire playtime. Its not designed for the afk botters, which is why they even mentioned it.
Does this mean it has to be handled differently or that they wont handle it at all?
Because the regular bots all they do is bot. The z afkers play normally, but they also sit there and afk all night. The classifier will take the normal playtime into consideration too, which might deem them not a bot. They say exactly that in the post.
I see your trying to play both sides of the field, but i wanted to share my view.
Honestly its not that hard to understand what they are trying to say. People just try to twist things to try and make it look like what they are doing is ok.
I also think the bots that run around are more of a priority, but its still not ok to do. AFK farmers should still get a ban, but not a permanent one. One that increases in time for repeat offences.
this is my point tho; both interpretations of the announcement have some valid points to it. i’m just trying to illuminate both sides.
and again… that announcement was fairly recent. people have been saying all the way back to iCBT that z-afking was permitted. but ofc nobody has a source on where it came from.
for a true z-afker, i think it’s pointless. the activity itself is nearly worthless, and the gains too limited to bother. (imagine waking up to see Vubbe Blood laying next to your corpse or something… lol.) and with the activity itself being so close to worthless, wasting resources trying to prevent it seems equally valueless.
ideally, nobody would do either, but better this at least, than true botting.
holding down the z key is so incredibly ineffective I don’t see the problem with it. I have tested it during a previous beta because I wanted to see some higher level content before the servers closed and I had to work too much to do it “legit”
So over 3 days I tried repeatedly to level by having my z key held down while I was at work. The first time I died, figured ok, must have been too high of a zone. Made no gain. Second day I gained a whopping 2 levels. almost 10 hours of sitting there and I gained 2 levels. and this was at lowish levels.
3rd day? I died again. Probably killed by a player somehow as I don’t think the zone could have killed me.
So over 3 days of trying to afk while holding down the z button and I gained 2 levels. Try it in a higher level zone where you lose vast amounts of money upon death and gain levels even slower? its a complete non issue.
What do you think if people party up and 5 archer just sitting and holding Z together, all days, all nights?
I disagree. It does matter alot where they set up like you said, but there are places like royal masoleum chapel where they set up right at the entrance. Mobs only spawn in front of them and often. Mobs also run right to them. They get big benefit from afking there for 10 hours. You dont even need the items. Silver and xp add up in 10 hours.,
I just leveled up another character and hit that zone, but the afkers are gone. There used to be at least 5 afkers there at all times. Maybe they moved on and found a better spot.
You cant do this anymore, but remember the afkers farming those big kepas at miners village? decent benefit there too for newer players.
They cant do this everywhere and have alot of benefit, but there are places where they get a decent advantage and not even play the game, which is what botting is. Something from nothing.
if there is no one sitting at a place that used to be profitable to do it… then the profit for that location has been lost.
either they grew up and moved on, or something happens when they try it. maybe there are mobs that rarely spawn just outside?
at miners’ village all i remember were true botters, teleporting everywhere, and attacking stuff entire screens away. thankfully those are cleared out.
there will be 5 lines where mobs will die quickly. 1 archer or 5, it wouldn’t really make a difference.
eventually that’s going to become unprofitable for them. the higher level you are above the mobs you are fighting, the less exp you earn from it, until eventually you get nothing at all.
and remember, they’re just firing basic shots in a straight line. no targeting, no skills. archers, with their very narrow attack line, would probably be the worst possible choice. something could sneak up between 2 lines of fire and kill them
and players can just go around whatever area they’re in.
You forgot about the kneel shot?
5 archers, 5 directions, and i don’t say they will 1 location.
Please don’t be narrowminded about this.
Botting is botting, it’s not about the profit they got.
Why are you playing a game if you can’t play the by yourself?
