im currently a rank 4 swordman my current build its like this,
swordman->highlander->c2 barbarian.
i kind of regret taking highlander instead of pelta because the only good skill i have is catar strike, and its only for its dmg, aside for the +50% crit from attributes,
im planning to be a doppel so my first option was c3 barbarian for the next class advancement, but it seems like i’d only get high lvl of the skills i already have(rest are useless from what i’ve read), so i was thinking of taking c1 peltasta for tanking purposes, and then going doppel,is this a viable option? im not sure if taking pelta this late is any good.
That’s a tough call. I’d say just go with C3 barbarian since you’re already damage focused. C3 barbarian has the majority of their good attributes. Pelstata also has AMAZING attributes, probably the best in the game, but they are all defense oriented.
I wouldn’t call pouncing useless, but it is definitely a skill designed for PvP. Basically you’d just want to max Seism, Cleave, and then your last 5 points are pretty much up to you.
I’m of the opinion that maxing Barb to C3 is only necessary for Barb enthusiasts, people who really wanna make the most of the archetype, because there simply are better tools in almost any other C1 than what you get from Barb C3.
Barb C2 is great for giving damage options to any build that might be lacking in those, because the skills are not weapon specific and do tons of dmg if lined up right.
As for getting peltasta… I wouldn’t agree with getting it late, you need those ranks to build up high tier circles, but it’s not like it will kill your build. You can get peltasta, max out Barb to c3, then end with dopple c1 and you’d be in good shape.
Pretty much all of Barbarian’s worthwhile attributes are locked up under circle 3.
Maintain stacks makes Frenzy 100 times more useful. If you play a Barbarian, you’d know how often the stacks reset, even when hitting the same target. Yes, you only get half of the attack, but it’s better than constantly resetting after 4 stacks because another target walked into your path or the boss summoned some traps.
Warcry Enhance and Add Target are both locked under circle 3 as well. This greatly increases the efficiency of this skill versus 1-2 targets or 6+ targets, the latter of which is when it’s most useful anyways.
You don’t HAVE to go Barb 3, but there is more to the circle than just the increased damage on Seism and Helm Chopper. It basically turns Frenzy and Warcry into highly viable skills.
@Vanic damm, i tought i could get those attributes at c2 now i see why c3 is important, my main reason for wanting to get pelta is for party purposes, people always complain if their tank is not a pelta,im the only main swordman among my group of friends and they complain when i drop the agro on them. i really like @Zipzo idea but is c3 barb better than doppel c2 ?
They are indeed tied to circle 3. I was disappointed when I found out about this as well, as I had also only planned on going circle 2 for Barbarian initially. You can still definitely play Barbarian circle 2 effectively, but those traits just brings those two skills to a whole different tier of efficiency.
Peltasta is amazing, and borderline necessary, if you want to tank. Swashbuckling is THE taunt skill. Your aggro attribute (provoke on swordsman) might be enough to hold hate though. That said, Peltasta circle is amazing for the same reason that Barbarian circle 3 is, attributes.
Peltasta get arguably the best traits in the game, especially for a single circle. They get +25% hp (during swashbuckling), + 25% block (when equipped with a shield), +18% evasion (during guardian), and +50% physical defense (while using guard). Those are all percentage bonuses so they will scale very well into late game.
As far as going Doppel 2 vs Doppel 1 and Barb 3, that’s a tough choice. If you want to be doing damage or heavy PvP, the double Doppel is almost definitely the better choice. Doppel c2 isn’t going to help you much with tanking though. The main reason behind this is because Doppel C2 focuses mostly on using 2 handed swords, which is definitely not wise while tanking.
You basically have to decide here if you want to improve your tanking abilities or your PvP abilities. If you want to be using 2 handed swords or not. Which class you just generally like more might even be the deciding factor, as there is no right answer here.
how would you build tank barb ?
a) sw>pelt3>barb2>dpll or b) sw>pelt2>barb3>dpll
and stat-wise ?
Honestly, frenzy and Warcry are just not amazing as you’re making them out to be. Barb is mostly gonna be about skill dmg and you get much more bang for your buck maxing cleave, helm, and seism. Once you’ve done that there is little room for many points in frenzy/wc.
While you’re right that the attributes that make those skills much better sit in C3, they are just not necessary in the grand scheme of your other available class path combinations for the last three ranks (assuming you went pelt 1 at rank 2).
Barb C3 remains a “pretty good but not really necessary succession after c2”, similar to corsair. The frenzy/wc are “viable” just fine without going c3.
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I also regret taking highlanded instead of peltasta. Currently I am in Barbarian C3 and en route to Doppel. Will be taking Lancer at rank 7.
The reason for getting Barbarian C3 is to maximize Frenzy and Warcray (Both adds physical damage) and then further increase with Deed of Valor from Doppel (50% increase at C1).
If I were to re-roll, I will go for Peltasta > Barbarian C3 > Doppel > Doppel/Lancer or Peltasta > Barbarian C2 > Corsair C2 > Doppel
So far I notice this is the most common class build for Barbarian > Doppel unless you plan to go for Fencer.
Honestly, Frenzy and Warcry are more amazing than you’re making them out to be.
Warcry at level 3 can give you +170 attack damage for 40 seconds with one short little animation on a wave. If you bring it up to level 10, it can give you 330. That’s nothing to scoff at by any means. If you only go Barb circle 2, you are capped out at 125, if you spend 5 points. 125 damage is still quite nice, but it fails in comparison to 330.
Frenzy is borderline broken without Maintain Stacks. You can literally be attacking stationary targets and it’ll just choose to randomly prioritize a different one and you’ll lose your stacks. Sometimes you just seem to lose your stacks for seemingly no reason as well. Until they fix both those issues, or at the VERY least make boss traps not count towards it, it remains way too gimmicky to be worthwhile.
Except nobody is going to raise Warcry to lvl 10 as opposed to maxing out the actual skills, because in preaching the greatness of those skills you’ve completely disregarded the loss in +damage% you lose by not maxing Helm Chopper, Seism, or Cleave.
You’re gaining way more by maxing the skills predominantly, then getting what you can from the points remaining distributed among Warcry/Frenzy.
That’s great that lvl 10 Warcry is nothing to scoff at. Neither is lvl 10 Seism or lvl 10 Helm Chopper.
Fact of the matter is we have limited points to spend, and they are better spent elsewhere before you max WC/Frenzy.
Frenzy just needs to be used more selectively and carefully on bosses. Positioning plays a part too (for both WC and Frenzy).
If we had infinite skill points, I’d say hell yeah max it out, they’re great. We don’t. There are better choices.
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There are some build that max Warcry by sacrificing the Helm Chopper. You can refer to the 2 largest swordsman guide thread by Cathexis.
Mine is like this:
I wanted to max Warcry, but don’t know where to take that point from.
It’s not like it destroys your character, of course, there’s just better utility from other circles after Barb c2.
Helm Chopper is already considered mediocre, and with the upcoming buffs to Seism and Cleave, it is going to be a 1 point only skill.
after reading all the stuff in here i realize how important was the peltasta instead of highlander choice, i really can’t decide, both of them seems really good options, and with @Zipzo and @Vanic arguing is even harder to choose, after learning each class pros and cons i’ll have to go with pelta, that aoe taunt and def attributes are really too good to pass by, since my sword is more focused on pve i think is the right choice, it’ll hurt not to have c3 barb dmg amplifiers, ill probably get them if somedays imc decides to give us a class reset scroll … btw guys thanks for this small discution i learned alot.
I’m still worried if the regional buffs will even come to ITOS 
That is definitely a legitimate concern. I am afraid they won’t as well, but I would imagine most of them will eventually.
That’s my thoughts
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