Hi there, im playing TOS on another server
to the point
now Im lvl 159 and my last quest was on the bee farm
the problem is a lot of people told me about hitting 170+ wall if i dont grind and save my exp card
the question is, at this point, do i have to grind at bee farm or demon prison to get into lvl 175? or do i have to create another char to pass the 170 wall with following the 140-170 leveling guide?
sorry for my bad english
thank you
The recommended method is to grind to 160-165 and then use cards until 175. 175-200 isn’t too bad. Just hit 217 yesterday so maybe someone can provide more input?
Best of luck to you 
Did you already use your experience cards? If so it’ll take a lot longer, but it’s still doable. If not, save them 'till 165.
yes, i already used all of my exp cards. but the quest at dina bee isnt completed yet. so is there any kind of hope that i can touch 175?
I’ve known people who have popped cards early and got over the hump. Whatever amount of cards you still have to earn, which I think is a good bit, save them for later. Grind as long as you’re getting experience at Dina’s with groups.
This is a really good guide for 140-175
Note this part:
I popped all my exp cards early and now I’m stuck in the middle of the dead zone, am I screwed? Not entirely. If you don’t mind the exp penalty, partying with a quick group in the 2nd demon prison can still net decent exp. There are also some level 170 maps that aren’t completely terrible when it comes to mob density, and new quests open up at 173/174 which will help with your final push out of the dead zone.
i suggest to do monster kill achievement for lv7-8 cards while questing in an area, use this to orientate yourself https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P1i_FBdimQqyf9M9U43ypKi_o0Edz78hPz-mxQvfH7c/htmlview?sle=true#
easy mob kills:
demon prison 2-5
vilna forest
dina bee farm
meanwhile always do 3 runs of mercenary missions, it gives around 26% each run
don’t use any cards until you are 100% SURE you can hit lv186 with the new quests you will unlock, for example i was lv162 this morning, i had lots of cards so i hit lv163 with mercenary missions than i use a card calculator to see how many cards i needed, used card until 176 to be able to complete lv 170+ maps, then used all my cards to hit lv186
You will still need to grind either you saved cards or not.
It just change where and how you’re going to grind.
Since bee farm and D Prison is around 160, people prefer to grind there first before use cards.
If you happened to used all cards and got past the zone level. You will just need to do mission daily and quest and mini-grind monster for extra cards.
Repeat it everyday until you crawl out of the wall.
okay then i will try to grind at the 2nd demon prison
thanks a lot, i thought i was not able to touch 175 aka hit the wall
but i have a fletcher class that have some aoe skill but do i still need some party?
You can do it alone, may be a bit slower, but listen to the other guys advice too, do your missions and get monster kill counts. I also think Dina’s is a bit better, higher level so a tad more experience. There are more people there though so if you want to do it alone, you’ll have an easier time at Demon’s.
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My personal experience due to my silliness, got stuck at 170.
No Cards, No Quest.
I did as what was suggested by everyone in this thread, Missions is your best friend do it everyday. You will get by, patience~
Grind the lower level areas demon prison farm silver for your 170 equips.
p.s. I had a pretty bad experience @ Dina Bee Farm, chucked full of bots + afk farmers. it was a very huge waste of time for my case.
Demon Prison District 2F is the best grinding spot in the game. (one of the only grinding spots as well)
That’s why it’s highly suggested to grind there from 145-165~ (depending on how early you feel comfortable with)