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I think there a few reasons why the statistics and in game seem different.
The game naturally spreads players out a lot, so there just ends up being less people in the level range to do the dungeons. Dungeons are also unnecessary for basically the entire game, you can quest through basically everything which leads to the āTree of Soloā joke. Why wait and take all the time to do a dungeon, when you can run a few maps and hit level 100 in just a few hours of exploring. I know I personally never really grinded in them much, I just rushed them and got my EXP from quests and exploration, with the occasional kill count, (other than the grinding walls of course.) Then thereās bots which obviously skew the numbers as well. Also many players just hop on for an hour, maybe rush, do a map, whatever, then leave, and they just do that a few nights a week. All of this would explain why there are clumps of levelled players at grinding walls because thatās when the Tree of Solo aspect doesnāt work anymore.
The servers canāt handle 60,000 to 30,000 people. Last time I checked or cared a channel only can hold some obscure low number like 100 people before becoming full. Youād have every server channel full for the 2-3 hours or what ever your theory is that youāre trying to pitch.
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? Overall Player count ā Concurrent/peak player count
EDIT: Seriously how is it hard to understand. Iām not pitching a theory, there are 60000 people who launched the game, 30000 of which played for more than a few hours. Thatās what the numbers say, thatās it. The rest of what Iām saying is just speculation, and Iām interested in what other people have to think.
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Sure 30k players played a few hoursā¦but then they either stopped or donāt play muchā¦thatās why the concurrent online population is still around 5k. The game needs more active players, not those who only play a few hours per week. (Or else things like queues wonāt improve outside of peak hours)
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That 4000 average can be 20000 different players all coming on at different times, some playing on different days, with their own schedules. Itās clear there is a dedicated player base the comes on consistently, but itās also clear that there is a steady stream of new players, most of which probably suffer from attrition and stop playing. I fully agree with you about needing more of these consistent players, and that IMC needs to step there game up when it comes to keeping more of the players playing consistently. My original response to you, was simply disproving the 4000 player number because itās factually incorrect, the playtime suggests there are many long term players, (or hardcore short term ones,) while the average 4000 number further supports it.
Absolutely, itās a serious issue that Tree of Savior suffers from. TOS certainly needs improvement when it comes to making the game more enjoyable instead of just a grind up the levels, not to say there is no fun in the levelling grind but it does get burdensome.
at this rate we will have more ppl come to play.
New wave of bots selling silver/RMT/farming 24/7 ?
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Sad R8 only stopped the bleeding it didnāt increase the 24-hour peak very much
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Who are you? Did somebody hack your account? Kakakaka
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I donāt think 4000 average player count is particularly good, I just donāt like the statement TOS is dead, because the numbers disagree. I know you didnāt say that but itās related to the idea behind it. You do raise very valid points about queuing and GVG, and the fact that the player is forced to stand there waiting makes it even worse. Iām an Orshan, I understand the queuing pain. 
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sad 24h peak is still around 5k. very bad. it used to be 12k peak a couple of months back. The party quest bug killed off too many. dunno who mention average player but I was talking about 24hour peak
Yeah that and the ongoing optimisation issues are the ones Iād place the most blame on. My mention of the average player count was in response to @haukinyau0 and it was a decent a representation of what I was getting at. I do feel the same way about the peak player count though.
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I would eat the ā ā ā ā out of those big mac 
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It does affect the gaming experience. The players that are playing, even if they are very casual, still do affect it. They may be the ones shouting in chat to grind or dungeon. Part of what I said before, was the lack of dungeons as a necessity when it comes to EXP. I think overall we basically agree with each other when it comes to the causalities, just not the specifics. One of the things we have to remember is most MMOās, like most games, are dominated numerically by more casual players, the problem with TOS is how little those players affect each other. But that has been a problem with the MMO genre for the past ten years, TOS just seems to amplify it, making it a much more obvious problem then in other comparable titles.
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