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2handed spear shinobi

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Need opinion on my build. I never play cata before. Should i change hoplite c3 to doppel c1? Im not going to change other rank unless someone can giv valid reason for that. I more on PvE, but i want to be useful in PvP also. Since auto swap already implemented, im thinking to use sword+shield (just for swashbuckling) and 2handed spear. My stat will be con:str 3:1 and dex enough for accuracy only (mybe around 100++ final)

Reason for choice:
Rank 2: just for swashbuckling.
Rank 3: well, no other choice. Finestra also good for extra crit.
Rank 4: for passive 2handed spear and extra mobility.
Rank 5: more crit rate xD
Rank 6: im not sure either to go hoplite c3 or doppel c1. Some people said deeds of valor not too good if u cant tank well. Im more on con oriented, deeds of valor still no good? Deeds of valor+cyclone vs finestra lvl15+spammable spear throw. Which 1 better?
Rank 7: im interested in shinobi. Dragoon too overrated lol. Just kidding. I choose shinobi for bunshin no jutsu and kunai combo. Mokuton no jutsu also good in pvp. The other 2 skill can give hide, which is good for pvp.

My final aim is 2handed spear build.

#2

i’ll do what i can :smiley:

  1. you really should get level 5 Pain Barrier, probably the best skill from swordsman, you can leave bash at level 3, just so you get the knockback attribute

  2. maxing Pierce over Stabbing is up for debate, i think both is fine, but personally i prefer maxing Stabbing.

  3. Getting c1 Cataphract for the mobility isnt really worth it, you’d need atleast c2, cause without Trot you dash faster than the Mounts base movespeed, also, im pretty sure you cant use Shinobis skills while mounted anyways, but if you’re just doing it for the 2h spear passive, its fine, but you wont be able to use any of Catas skills if you’re not mounted, im pretty sure.

cant really comment much on shinobi as i only know what i’ve seen from videos.
but besides the things i pointed out your build seems fine

#3

Can i know why u prefer stabbing over piercing?

Cata skill can be use while mounting only? Auto dismount already implement. So i think no issue with shinobi skill. I know i might need to neglect this cata due to shinobi choice. If i remove cata for doppel later rank, i will lose huge dps from 2handed spear. If i remove shinobi for dragoon, i will lose good mobility in pvp. If i need to choose,i will keep this build and let cata for 2handed spear passive only for now, unless there is rank 8implement, i will remove cata to get dragoon later.

Btw, any updated list skill can be use while mounting?

#4

Appendix C

As for why i prefer stabbing, Pierce is really only good against Large type monsters, while stabbing remains effective against all sizes

#5

dragoon might be a stronger choice here.
u will need weapon swap if u r okay with that. cata 1 is good for pvp. if u want that. doppel is a good switch for aoe dmg. hop3 if u want 1v1. i see why u went shinobi, but idk if u can kunai on mount.

#6

Thanks for the info, skrunken.

Yeah, im ok with swap. Thats why i take peltasta instead of highlander c2.

From what i see, mobility in pvp for swordman not many either shinobi, cata, corsair. For now, i think i will ditch mount and just get it for 2handed spear passive after i got shinobi.

Hoplite c3 is good for aoe also due to throw spear for mobbing. I know cyclone is the best aoe skill +deeds of valor, i dont know whether i should get doppel or hop c3.

Dragoon my choice at rank 8. Even if i give up being shinobi, i will take doppel first.

#7

If you’re going Dragoon at r8 you could go without c1 Cata, 1h spear + dagger is still decent enough till then, since Dragoon get 2h Spear passive too.
And like you said, Spear Throw for mobbing is good, you’ll probably level faster with than what you sacrifice to get 2h Passive alittle earlier, and that way you can get both Hoplite c3 and Doppel.

#8

Are u sure spear+dagger still good? 2handed spear has almost 2x dmg than spear. Cata also has 50% block penetration passive which good to counter stone skin in pvp.

#9

yeah its still good.
and well, think what you’d have to sacrifice for that.
im not sure that getting the 50% block penetration and early 2h spear is worth the trade.
you’d have to sacrifice lv 15 Finestra, Spear Throw, and you wouldnt really get the benefit from any of Catas Skills, so basicly you’d just get those 2 attributes from a whole class, and once you get to Rank 8 if you’re still going Dragoon, you’d get the 2h passive anyways, so basicly all you got from Cata was the 50% block penetration

#10

Actually getting to rank 5 is easy, so im not really worry about lvling, and getting to rank 7++ is abit hard. So before i got shinobi, cata still useful for me. I also can get 2way of gameplay (with/without mount). Cata only useless when i try to pvp. I dont know how good cata c1 though. Btw, the only reason i got cata at rank 4 to got early access to 2handed spear. I still dont see valid reason to drop cata, unless it really useless for lvling.

Mybe i will get hoplite c3 first, then cata c1>shinobi. I hope around that time rank 8 already implement, so that i can adjust my build back.

Thanks for all your input.

#11

well if you compare c1 cata to c3 hoplite, with Spear Throw being spammable, c3 hoplite will be easier to level than Cata, not to say that going Cata is bad, it just wont do you much good, and the damage difference on early level 1h and 2h spears, is pretty minimal and can easily be covered with Arde dagger.
For reference:

Both spears are of the same item grade.
Sestas Pike has 158~213 base patk
Sestas Spear has 89~110 base patk
Arde Dagger has 14~17 base atk and +153 Fire damage

Lets ignore the Dagger atk, as im not sure if thats added to your atk or not, but just comparing the 158~213 vs the 89~110+153=242~263.
You can clearly see the difference.
And while 2h Spears damage gets fairly alot higher at lategame, its still a pretty small difference:

#12

. Yeah, at low lvl, dont have much difference due to high elemental atk from arde. But it will have much difference later. Almost 2x dmg difference. The only way to get higher dmg using spear by getting high elemental atk, which is flat increase from sub weapon. Highest elemental atk now is from mana-mana.

It will be so much difference after u upgrade it. Not to mention, elements is the best 2handed spear at low lvl. Skill attack calc also will be difference. So i still think 2handed >1handed spear.

#13

well, in the end its your choice, i just think that once you change to Shinobi, Cata has lost all its value.
but hey, could be wrong

#14

Hehehe, it’s good to argue with u. At least we can exchange some info. U got good point about other things, but not about 1handed spear thing. If u see mechanic attack calc, u will agree with me. High base damage always better. Elemental damage only addon to final damage calc.

#15

oh i know, im just comparing hop c2 - cata c1 vs hoplite c3 into Shinobi - Dragoon, while Cata is more convenient early on, you will lose out in the end.
atleast in my opinion