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With a heavy heart, I have returned my founder's pack for a refund

Because they want you to buy their tokens ?

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I’m not 100% sure about this. But currently it is cheaper to buy a token and sell it to the market than it is to buy silver from RMT isn’t it? So in a sense RMT is getting priced out by legal silver trade (token).

I don’t know who will still buy from RMT’ers and how RMT’ers can effeciently send said silver without 1 to 1 silver trade. Market has a 2 day delivery.

They must have a way to make a profit, as they are still around. They’re not going to waste time and resources botting in a game that nets them no money.

Yea I’m curious about this as well. Since they are already being priced out of market, what’s their profit model.

The only thing I can think up of is dumb people falling for scams?

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I see. But I think it’s a total fail. I mean, they will lose a lot of costumers with the restriction.

Probably duping tokens and giving it to users at a price cheaper than the TP shop. Just one idea. You can’t trade silver so I imagine it’s a combination of credit card scams and buying items for you.

@SirFede Yeah, that’s why this whole no trading thing is kind of a hot issue on the forums. It was obviously not going to go over well, but IMC has a habit of learning things the hard way.

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Lol @ the number of whiners crying over low drop rates in a korean grind mmo.

This is why I think the price is way to high and why I think IMC got a bit greedy. The game is a really good game but I don’t think it’s worth $50, knowing the mass bugs, lag people are getting and it being a beta. I think it’s worth like $25 dollars or $19.99. And I still believe in the “every one should pay model” but that’s not going to happen.
Just another thought…It seems like now a days games add “beta” as an excuse for their bugs and unfinished business.

Yea because development times are too long and tech moves too fast. Everything needs to be making money at beta stage or they go belly up / outdated.

The drop rates are actually totally fine and not the problem. The problem is the spawn rate. Here’s a sample video of the difference between closed beta and how it is now (note this video is at DOUBLE speed):

(Video posted via Reddit user)

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Well they probably lower the spawn rate with a set timer since they can’t really handle the playerbase in cbt.

What do you mean? Do you mean the servers can’t handle it? Because the servers behaver wasn’t any better when they slowed the spawn rate, still absolute crap.

The lag obviously came from overcrowded traffic with too many players/botters. Faster mob spawn = more data flow obviously. Why else would they change the spawn rate? Only logical reason is traffic issues and anti-gold farmers.
They are programmers they don’t apply changes for no specific reason.

So, as you say the only two reasons are server overload or anti gold farming. However, the server overload is horse ■■■■ when you realize that the servers didn’t get fixed at all by the spawn rate change. And so then you’re left with the anti gold farmers, but that’s also a load of horse ■■■■ because that’s not how economics work. When you lower the spawn rate you’re lowering the influx of dropped money for EVERYONE, which means all you’re combating is inflation, gold sellers will still sell gold they’ll just sell less of it for the same price point since that will have more value to the economy. So really, the only explanation is that they THOUGHT it might help either or both of these issues but really they’re completely inept at game design.

I think thats your clouded judgement speaking as a Black Knight.

I would of spend 10/30 $ with the old plan. Your brilliant idea actually had the result that myself and others ended up paying more (because its harder to wait for 1 month then it is to wait for 3 months).

So who is defending crappy practices here exactly?

I wasnt around during any of the announcements. I read the 3 month plan and the announcements the days after all in one go.

But ill assume in your defense that instead of saying loudly ‘‘I dont want 3 months, I want 1 month!’’ you loudly proclaimed ‘‘What is this? We should have an open FREE beta, not payed early access’’
Because others youd be a pretty big hypocrite.

Fact is, instead of going into an uproar about the payed part, people went into an uproar about the 3 month part. So really they did (to some extend) brough it to us.

I supported the plan, and would of bought with 1/2 months myself. Because I can think and realise that 1 month wouldnt be enough.
Why? Because they specifically listed their reason for the 3 month plan as: ‘so not everyone rushes the servers at the same time’

Think for a moment, consider how fast they had an alternative for the 3 month plan. And how obvious it was the majority would choose option B.

Now, who exactly was being bait-and-switch’d again?

Let’s get something clear first and foremost. No one made you buy anything. You and everyone else chose to drop $10 - $90 USD on this game. Don’t go blaming anyone for that. You’re an adult right? You made the call, no one else. A lot of people like to pretend or claim they just want to support IMC, but really, a majority of players I would imagine paid the money so that they could play. What changed with the $10 buy in is that more people are willing to gamble with $10 than $50.

Now then $10-30 with the old plan? Let me explain to you what the old plan was. You either drop $50 for a three month head start or you drop nothing at all. What I and many others argued for was the removal of that three month head start and the mandatory $50 buy in. That was complete crap and I will defend my stand on that even now.

I was advocating for a free open beta. A lot of open betas are free as user feedback is very important especially on a large scale. When IMC apologized and rolled out the poll, I compromised. A lot of users did. IMC listened and while it was a completely free open beta like they promised, they made the early access more attractive by reducing the head start time (helping unite the community a bit) and made it cheaper to get in (which was a huge concern for a lot of Latin American players where the exchange rate was insane). I never advocated for a month. I always wanted a free open beta, however, I and many others are not unreasonable. We were presented with a compromise and an apology and we accepted it. I’d sooner take a month gap than a three month gap.

You admit that you weren’t around, so don’t try and speak for me or anyone else without having done research.

No one is going to argue that the poll wasn’t rigged. Obviously when they made it they pretty much said, “1 month, okay?” IMC can try and rationalize their reasoning for a three month head start however they want. However the whole rushing the servers thing is a moot point. Lots of users bought access to the game close to the launch of the Founder’s Server. It was always going to slammed. The same issues would have persisted. This is like their third closed beta collectively before the early access. I can’t speak for their development cycle but the sample size has to increase. Considering how IMC’s servers were unprepared for this (despite being fed numbers through the DLC purchases) how will they handle F2P? That’s going to be even larger. The point is, they need a larger audience slamming their servers to prepare.

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You do realise trial and error works for mmos as well right? At least IMC is willing to try ways to solve the botting and map lag spikes issues by lowering the spawn rate. Don’t say “that’s not how ■■■■ works”, programmers/desginers tend to do crap like this in search for the best result.
Why else would they changed “megaphones are not capped at 150 letters” and now added a lv 40 restriction. Why else would they nerf the respawn rate and now increase by 50% again after the community complaints.
They change things for a reason.

heh, those likes you got, lotta dumb fanboys here. Its ok though, usually fanboys realize the major problems after about 5+ weeks. The fanboy is usually a slow thinking creature.

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Spawn issues already taken care of… Guess you left a bit too fast not even giving them time to do 1 patch… GG WP

And for all we know, those who are selling tokens are the gold sellers. lol