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Warning! New taoist event removes all silver from inventory

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#21

Look man, I get that I’m not on the moral high ground here.
I’m not trying to be.

I understand that it’s about mindset.

Take it from my perspective. I have not once made a single rant thread of my own my entire 1500+ hours of existence here. It doesn’t mean I don’t pay attention. It doesn’t mean I don’t harbor ill feelings towards those that, on a daily basis, take advantage of the weaknesses of this game and its code.

Calling us people that “spread cancer” is likewise unwarranted if you really want to get into the nitty-gritty. We can express our opinion, just like you are free to express yours.

I expressed my joy over what I perceived as karma being served.

P.S.

Before it even comes up, I understand there are people (in this world) who actively hunt bugs/exploits for reporting purposes and are under the direct/indirect employment of the company who runs the system/software. Most are given “bug bounties” from what I gather.

I do not believe this is the case for OP.

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#22

I love how friendly ToS community is. You lost something because of a bug? ■■■■ off. Let’s all hate you instead thanking you for discovering the bug

Hope you get refunded!

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#23

You seem to be unaware of the huge impact, these exploits can have on games.

Here is an example.

It is nice he posted a warning to other players. Probably should of just sent a ticket. Let’s say this was exploitable, would he attempt to gain advantage from it or be a responsible player and report it properly?

Who knows. And thankfully we dont have to go down that rabbit hole.

But yes I hope he gets his monies back. Just interesting how it looks like he was attempting to exploit.

#24

Let’s be real here, have you ever keyed-in a “-” symbol in any of the dialogue boxes on purpose or by accident aside from the chat window?

Mind you, I’m not saying it’s impossible.

The likelihood of it being accidental is just too far off (for me and many others).

In order for OP’s input to be taken as a negative value, the - symbol would have to have been keyed-in FIRST.

If we are to look at the standard QWERTY keyboard layout. The only way for you to accidentally start of with a - is by entering zero (the one above the letters O and P) and accidentally hitting the - key instead. That makes no sense, right? Why would you start with a zero after all?

If we were to look at the NUMPAD (assuming NUM LOCK was on), the - symbol is on the far right corner and the likelihood of an accidental press is just too unbelievable.

#25

Have you never tried entering letters where numbers were supposed to go? I’m a programmer and love to see if other people tested border cases. Of course he could’ve tried to do it to exploit it, but he could also have just tried random stuff to see what happened. I mean, since we are all assuming stuff, that could very well be the case too

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#26

Like I said it looks fishy, why was he taking screenshots in the first place. Unless he was expecting something unusual to happen. It does make it look like he is familiar with this issue (the negative input issue, that some games have had) .(or someone else was trying to exploit, found the bug, told this guy and is just doing a public service).

He has no other posts, but has an account that’s been here since founder/beta. So Id like to say if I saw a bunch of helpful posts, he’s helping. But I can’t say that either. Maybe he wants to be a helpful active part of the community and was making a guide. IDK

He also didnt censor anything, which make’s it seem like he is just being helpful (or using a dummy account, again why screenshot here). Just an interesting post I suppose.

Who knows.

#27

In a video game? Why would I? Unless it was a puzzle of sorts, this kind of thinking does not permeate to the gaming world (much less to the ToS game world).

The OP was not solving a puzzle mind you.

Don’t get me wrong.

I know my statements against the OP are 100% accusatory.

I’m just trying to say that they are not baseless.

#28

Good point. I can buy that argument

#29

could be doing it again to prove something

#30

Let’s deal with hypotheticals here:

If OP was, let’s say, trying to replicate an issue that a friend or someone else told him about (in good spirit). It wouldn’t make sense for him/her to execute this endeavor with 28m Silver on hand knowing full well what the effect of it would have been (after all, his/her friend told him/her about it).

Now let’s assume he/she was duped/tricked into trying this by learning about it from someone else and he/she was told that it would have “great results”. Then isn’t that just greed? I can’t paint that as curiosity at all.

Final situation is, OP wanted to do it for documentation purposes. Had 28m Silver on hand because he can and that’s not an issue. Tried it, lost all Silver (as he/she claimed) in the process but he/she took screenshots so it’ll be all good. Right? This is where the fish smell starts rising. Why?

Here’s where the argument that this is curiosity starts to crumble:

A) If he knew prior that it had a negative impact and wanted to document it for reporting purposes, he would not have been lugging that much Silver to do so.

B) If he/she was tricked into believing that it was going to do something “amazing” for him. Then he/she just decided to document the process (for whatever reason). Then his/her forward thinking ultimately brought about his/her demise.

Let’s assume that OP had no idea what would happen (none at all), just happened to be carrying 28m in his/her character at the time (not a crime). A thought occurred to him/her to try and input a negative value (c’mon, really, nobody is buying this excuse) just cause. In order to protect him/herself, he/she decided to take screenshots prior. Then whatever outcome this would have had would be all on him/her.

#31

Screenshot doesnt show the 28M though

#32

I expected no less from General Discussion.

Nice try,but this is pretty easy to see through.

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#33

why would anyone put down a negative value?
you get what you sought, get IMC’d.

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#34

Try to put some math and see what happens;

#35

Nobody who’s testing stuff for “science” will risk all his money knowing that it could fail in the process, which is the case. We can save our money on the team storage for that reason (bugs).

Maybe, he actually won some money “testing” this event out, tried with 28M and he lost it all.

Type -IMC, gets 100M.

#36

O hell nah. Burn that event board.

#37

In pretty much no other game would testing something like this be of ANY risk.
If anything i put in -1 ill expect to lose 1 silver.
I catch your drift tho
Broken imc code has that reputation after all.

#38

Right, did I say he had a screenshot of his 28m? That’s why I said in the parenthesis “as he/she claimed”. If you take my paragraphs out of context, you can derive anything.

So let me just break it down for you because you only took a sentence out of that statement.

I was trying to insinuate that just because he/she took screenshots after the fact, does not make it enough to be his “evidence” for reporting issues or for documentation purposes. That’s why after the sentence you quoted I said that was when it was evident that something was very fishy.

In conclusion, the screenshots he/she provided are neither evidence for OR against him/her. However, it does beg the question… why?

#39

Either the steps to reproduce the issues are not listed completely or the bug has been fixed(?) or you are lying. Doesnt work as you said.

#40

And the plot thickens.