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This update made my character really weak

Wot.
Say FFXIV. Drops are guaranteed each run. Some have tokens in addition to drops that are also guaranteed so if RNG doesn’t favor you you will always have it after X amount of runs.
There were always feasible time constraints to measure how long a player should obtain something and if they wanted it faster they simply had to take on harder content.

Wakfu is similar albeit much more Grindy.

Outside of Trans much of ToS is proportionate outside of cosmetic hats IDGAF about.

This guy is just talking about some hypothetical strawman MMO he invented in his head to justify his argument. There’s no MMO on the market today that has some super impossible to get necessary gear drops out of once per week dungeons because anything like that would just be a commercial failure so IDK why he’s even reaching so far. Honestly the worst one I’ve played in recent memory in terms of RNG is Vindictus/Mabinogi Heroes which for a long time was just ridiculous in sort of the same way Practonium weapons are where to craft a BiS weapon you’d require multiple 1 in 1000 drops from a daily raid boss, but even they fixed up their gear system somewhat by introducing different tiers of mat quality so you could craft a less-good-but-still-very-usable version of the BiS weapons with relatively common raid drops, and even upgrade the weapon later when you eventually got a top tier drop. Of course that game also had OP weapon enchantments that were very likely to destroy your weapon if you didn’t use cash shop enchant protections too, so ■■■■ it.

This guy is a girl (might cause even more rage, haha), and your rage at being proven wrong doesn’t really faze me.

You should check out WoW. It’s probably the most popular MMO on the market. You might have heard of it. Look into legendaries in particular, and the fury around the grind needed there. It makes TOS’s grind look fairly adorable and benign, and that’s not even mentioning artifact traits.

But I suppose WoW is not on the market, right? :slight_smile:

As for FFXIV, when I played it, it had something called a relic weapon. The work required for it was monumental.
And that’s not going into the coil of bahamut needed to get the actually good gear. Yeah, you can get trash gear easier most likely, but you can’t compare getting that kind of gear to BIS gear in Tree of Savior :wink:

The Relic weapon is alternative gearing for people who do not Raid. It is not BIS. It’s a cool looking weapon that you can grind for if you like the look of it and don’t want to do any “hard” content. The “hard” content is very accessible gear wise except for one “tier” of raids in the entire game and it’s not
FFXIV has a lot of things you could grind but it’s all based on what you want to do, and if you’re even interested in them so you find the ways that are enjoyable for you. None of it compares to Trans, and even for things that require a length of time, they don’t require the same total commitment. Eg. “You can get 1 gear from this Content per Week. Gear is guaranteed everytime you beat it, but once you accept a gear (and you can refuse it) you cannot collect another until the reset”. Since it’s limited to once a week anyways, you could go on with your life 6/7 days a week and on the 7th day look for the gear you want. This is accessible. Afterwards when new content comes out? They remove the limit and you could hypothetically get all the gear in one or two days. Not even remotely comparable in accessibility to ToS. Not because of basic gear, IDGAF to be honest but because of

Transcendence

You can get all the best gear you “need” in FFXIV in a day (assuming you are a good enough player with a good enough team) if it’s not for Forced limitations (that get reduced later on so that you can do just that).
“Best” gear in ToS requires over a year per item slot, with the reduction of this requiring that other people sell you progression in this endeavor.

I think you’re confusing a huge grind to get absolute BiS gear or prestige gear with grind to get gear that’s good enough to even let you play the game, which is what ToS had/somewhat has.

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