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#66

They defend their no effort way of making silver obviously.

You know when we have enough afk farmers, this afk farming will just become the norm and part of the game and everyone will be praising it like a mandatory quest for every player lol. /s

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#67

nice abuse misao at bee

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#68

Russians!

If you’re an EU player and play any online or MMO’s with Russians, you know what this means.

Only in shooters have I met very cool Russians (DayZ, CS:GO etc.).

In MMO’s, never.

[details=For others I can put it like this: ]
Imagine hyper aggressive BRs who love to hack, leech, cheat, steal etc. abuse the game as much as possible.

Then launder money to Russian mafia! (I wish this was a joke. Probably doesn’t happen in TOS hehe)

An online population that speaks no English and acts like a 3rd world person (all kinds of phobic to every kinds of people, even their own).[/details]

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#69

oni 2k avg pops left , why can u ppls be nice together. if the bots/afk gone I think it gona become 1k avg pops.

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#70

Mei Kyoshino is the name of one of your alts, i caught you saying
’now he moved to my spot’ as i had just relocated myself to another spot…

after you logged out it i stood there and they didn’t risk killing your minions
with oracles even if they had been trying for 1 to 2 hours befor.

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#71

Confirmed by BEE POLICE party.
This player(Misao) is very toxic, defending own necroafk (with oracle alt (multiwindow?) and trashtalking. -.-

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#72

but if imc in the first point spawned the “anti afk” Grim Reapers that mean they wanted to necro stop afk.

So maybe they are unable to script the game such as “when you are afk for 5 minutes a Grim Spawn just for you and then disappear after you die” and they just spawned them random in the maps.

In the near future i hope Necro will be nerfed the same way Sorcerer was: if you didnt attacked no one in 1 minute your mobs stop attacking. It’s a cleaver idea and i really hope will be implemented.

#73

Removing Necro farming spots to the game isn’t the solution. They have spoken about the maintenance cost of weapons and it is being addressed at the end of summer for itos.In gist there is a solution in the works. The reapers and the situation is now a temporary measure until the end of summer. IF you have not read the developers blog update, i urge you to read it thoroughly.

In gist, it’s great.

The issue is that there isn’t an effective way to farm silver without being an alt-holic. Necro farming is far too beneficial. If we had dailies which rewarded us better I feel that we would find the necro farm abysmal. The high cost of everything is detrimental to the state of the game as of current.

But it is being addressed to my understanding.

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#74

NO NO NO.
In real life If you can’t have something because you don’t have enough money you just CAN’T.

You don’t steal or abuse. You don’t disturb others. You don’t steal.

So if noone can afford the transcendence stage 10 (for example) it’s ok.
There is no way some people can because they “abuse” a game mechanics (there are a lot of therm who forbit that behavior and imc just can’t handle the situation) and put themselves on the top of other “honest players”

So since it’s not “forbidden for real” it’s ok to go where you want to afk, the same way an Oracle can kill you or a warlock can farm the same spot you are already in. I wont complain that,
I’m complaining that the “afk thing” is already abused and they are trying to solve the issue. They just lack resources or intelligence to handle the situation

#75

But they’re using their resources and intelligence to solve the situation now. You’re crying over spilled milk.

The developers blog is probably the first big time I’ve congratulated IMC’s competency. Sure, there are other, more grounding worries; such as the client issues, the net code, and the CPU usage; we’ve many examples of games that can and have done it better without being AAA titles, but they still selected the most difficult road – or perhaps the only road they could afford.

Furthermore, there are plenty of companies that legally rob you. A perfect example are non-credited colleges. Most of the time, they get away with your money. They’re still establishments allowed to exist. There’s a lot more than those, but I don’t feel like getting into that.

Last but not least, it’s very simple for someone to say that if you can’t afford X then you just don’t do it. The biggest reason for crime is poverty.

Taking your trickled down logic into perspective, a person who is starving and falling on difficult times should just starve instead of doing what this person can do to survive.

I disagree.

Furthermore, the obscene costs of attributes, upgrading, maintenance, and shard usage to raise a weapon to a usable, bearable, tolerable level in the current game is stupid.

And though I can concur on the fact that people will always find a way to abuse a system, that doesn’t change the fact that Necro farming is a far more effective method than actually playing the game.

Late Rank 8 end-game is literally a game of who has the biggest trans weapon and who has the most broken class.

This is all being addressed.

Stop complaining. The game will balance itself out if they continue to place in the effort they showed on that developers blog.

It is not too late as the game is still making money and still available and we’re all playing still.

Even if we’re only 2k deep at present time, fam.

P.S. I own 3 characters. Not a single necro; A Chronomancer, an SR, and a Cleric. Atramedes - Orsha.

Feel free to investigate the account.

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#76

First: I play where I want.
Second: We were already in that channel, do you know? Sometimes game change you channel.
Third: Why I should go up to north when I have to do quest on the South? Just needed bees for quest, something like 2 min if I had warlock with me.
Instead of asking:“are you questing?” like I do always to players, they told:“go away!”

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#77

Fair = 0 silver, for several reasons:

  1. Solo gameplay incentive: None.
  2. Effort: None.
  3. Team gameplay incentive: None.
  4. Economy impact: Really bad, market inflation, overall average silver gain higher than average silver gain of non-AFK farming.
  5. Fun: “Open GvG war on Dina Bee”, “Players killing/pushing each other” aren’t fun aspects of the game, they’re results of the community itself reacting to how bad AFK farming system is.
  6. Variety: Only Necromancers can “farm AFK”, other classes can’t, on all other dailies and farmings spots you can use multiple classes for farming with variable levels of efficiency which is affected even by how one plays or the gears the player have.
  7. Content / Player retention: Bad. Incentives one to not play the game but sit AFK while doing something else. Eventually you get players “the only thing I do in TOS is AFK farming, I have nothing else to do”.
  8. Content / Player skill / Learning: Bad. Doesn’t incentives any innovation or adaptation. Even in the current system there are different ways to make silver which can be explored or require player skill/effort in gearing.
  9. Content / Silver generation / Silver sink: Different than shop classes that requires silver to be generated elsewhere and are bound by the 30% tax system and as well requires player interaction, AFK farming can generate unlimited amount of silver for multiple players in somewhat low time frame without any limitation.
  10. Content / Items value / Effort: The infinite silver generation by AFK farming, even if it takes a long time, have a negative impact on how items should cost, let’s take for example Lolopanther gears. One needs to do daily runs with a full team to obtain. By AFK farming one just need a few days to acquire the amount which those items costs on market transactions.

Yes, there are a lot of designs and things that this game should do better, one doesn’t negate the other nor justify another. AFK farming makes playing to farm resources close to pointless which hurts the game economy, the player base and even the future of the game.

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#80

Oh mai god this gaem…

It started from GMs spawning an uber-boss to wipe out all the bots.

Then bots kill this boss and open free bot-fest for all. GM’s simply ignore this and whoever complains.

Then some random oracle(s?) go on a crusade. When i came today early in the morning it was all covered with dead necros - suppose theres quite a few of them?

Then afkers call for their own oracle. At this stage it is already like a guerilla war - with ambushes and anti-partisan patrols.

And as a finishing touch - a well known warlock bot joined in and turned it all into complete mess.

Honestly, I’m not even mad.

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#81

I hope someday IMC will check who all got free money from those 20m kepa dolls they sold to necro farmers and the accounts will be banned, bye misao :wink:

#83

Deleted your posts because afraid after talking things you shouldn’t you killing the Grim Reapers to help the Necros?

#87

You already made a cringy impression, but now, you won the cup.

Take it and proceed to afk like with it.[quote=“neith720, post:12, topic:353893”]
Yet I’m not really salty in there tho lol
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Looks like I am with this kind.

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#88

what happend to your post where you admitted to using multiple characters for silver gain and bee farm control?

#89

threats and insults, i guess it hurts when people call you out and your not able to respond Misao

#90

IT’S SUPER FUN!!!

damn characters limit D:

#91

IMC: Let the players rumble on our poor/unfair skill design. Huehuehue
Meanwhile…
Players: Your character/skill is cancerous! Punching each other atToS and ToF
IMC: Grabs popcorn