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[TreeSports] The PVP dream Free camera mode, shoutcasters, tournaments

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#1

I want to see the PVP in this game grow. Not just into a GVG scene, but with IMC hosted tournaments for prizes and titles. There would be shoutcasters commentating on every move, official twitch streams, and hundreds of spectators in-game with the floating nico comments.

The PVP in this game, despite being sorta unbalanced, is very enjoyable. There’s a lot of odd interaction with skills that keep things interesting. Like a Cata impaling an aukuras on accident or a Druid telepathing a fireball. These small things make it fun to watch.

There are some issues before we get started:

  • There needs to be a “Free camera” mode for spectators. At the moment it’s locked to player POV.
  • There’s no party or ranked queue. Battle League is random. We should be able to queue in as a party or custom lobby of some kind.
  • Tournament brackets and such should be a thing
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#2

Awww yeah!
I would also love to see PvP grow in this game, it has lots of potential and making it to good use will make the game even better :smiley:
With so many builds and combinations you can make (and even more in the future) I am 100% sure this will become one of TOS best features :smiley:
Yeah! Make this a thing IMC!

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#4

I’m extremely extremely skeptical that your pvp dream will ever come true for this game. It just is not built to be well balanced. Too many classes, too many possible combinations. Heck, take a look at another somewhat similar game with a fairly open/complex skill system Path of Exile. One of the top posts is “PoE is not a PVP game”, I think the same will turn out to be true for ToS.

Will the PvP balance get a lot better as the game continues to grow and mature? Yes for sure! But I just am very skeptical that it would ever reach a well balanced state for every single class or class combination. Inevitably there will be a few highly successful PvP builds with some less successful builds and that will be the meta…

#5

I read somewhere that you don’t even get to use your own items in pvp.
that kinda ruins it for me or alteast dumbs it down to a casual fest if it’s true

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#7

@cosx774

And what I’m saying is that without an interesting variety of PvP VIABLE class builds, every single match will look the same because the metagame is currently still stale. All clerics run plague doctor for PvP for example. I think this would make for extremely boring spectating even if there were interesting game modes.

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#9

@cosx774

I’m sorry but this is completely backwards thinking in my opinion. Most good games are intentionally designed with at least the goal of attaining a fair but challenging set of choices that a player must make.

See:

See also:

If PvP is not balanced, then it dies. See the gdcvault video for details why.

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#11

@cosx774

Regarding that:

Appeal to an expert is not evidence of the truth of the expert’s claim, but rather evidence that experts have conducted an inquiry into the matter and come to a conclusion. He wrote that this makes the appeal a reason to believe a statement.

Argumentum ad Logicam

Argument from fallacy is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false. It is also called argument to logic (argumentum ad logicam), fallacy fallacy, fallacist’s fallacy, and bad reasons fallacy.

#12

We are calling this TreeSports. If IMC can just add free camera mode and non-random queue, we can get things going.

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#13

And Balance!! For the LOVE of ODIN!!

#14

Sounds good to me!

But they really need to address the placement circle for casting spells via Keyboard control scheme. As it remains it is a very slow way to have to cast spells across screen because the cursor moves only as fast as the default character does. This is not the case with the Mouse control scheme as you can place the casting circle anywhere you want pretty much immediately. They really need a X/Y speed slider in options for when a player in Keyboard mode is casting spells. Then it would be a little more fair =P

#15

Free Camera Spectator mode was adding in the latest Guild Battle Update!!

TreeSports Soon™

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#16

This is a very valid necroing you did here.

  • Necromancer 3 quest completed.

Edit: I do like “TreeSports” as the official name, but does anyone else have any other ideas?

#17

Yes, very enjoyable to play a PvP with 10 fps

#18

I’m 100% sure this will never happen. lol

#19

Hello @WatchGintama,

Thank you so much for your creative idea and good suggestion. Our staff really consider to implement your nice suggestion that provide the best service and fun for our saviors.

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#20

Thanks to you and many others that the Staff replied this[quote=“STAFF_Max, post:19, topic:153655, full:true”]
Hello @WatchGintama,

Thank you so much for your creative idea and good suggestion. Our staff really consider to implement your nice suggestion that provide the best service and fun for our saviors.
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Thx guys :joy: