Tree of Savior Forum

Shinobi Update in KTOS

Class and Rank Swordsman
#21

what people?

every week there is less and less players (Weekend evening, EU server and there is only 20 people in 220+ mission que… like what the hell? Ghost town?). People are sick tired of how IMC deals with that game. Heck even Korean servers are slowly dying. TBH Majority of active players are probably botters.

because that common sense. If you change lots of crucial stuff (not buff or nerfs of course) in “x” class then you should offer some kind of class reset items so people can’t fix their characters based on those changes.

I think you forgot that time is very precious resource. People won’t stick to Tree of Savior if IMC will mess up with classes every few months and this way ruin lots of builds. Specially if they even spend money on ToS and then they got treated like that by developers

Do you think normal sane person that spend months (and bunch of money) on playing his character will suddenly delete that character and start everything from scratch because of that what IMC forces with their retarded game changes?

No. That player will just quit ToS (lots of ToS veteran and new players are quitting this game because they are tired of it) and just spend their time and money on different game where devs know what they are doing.

I can understand making new different character like wizard, archer or cleric but not making new Shinobi because hurr durr random ass changes that makes “x” builds way much better than current “y” build. Specially that Shinbo class change is biggest cancer in this game (screw that yellow flower)

You either make clones use spells from all Swordsman classes or don’t make them use any. With those current changes they are just PUNISHING people for playing with their current builds if they don’t focus on highlander, rodelero, peltasta or hoplite (the fact that Shinobi is spear based class when there is already Dragoon in rank 7 is already big “■■■■ you” to build diversity since if you don’t get hoplite2 then you just gimp yourself and drastically lower your damage output)

Shinobi is already giant fail when it comes to build diversity (and the fact that it’s bugged as hell) and now IMC makes it even worse. What next? Shinobi can’t use dagger offhand and only shield? Let’s force tank ninja trolololol

#22

I understand how IMC failure to address games issues (both balance and general bugs) make people stop playing the game altogether. I feel less motivated as the time pass just like most people but tagging staff members won’t help. It’s just like complaining to the manager of the store about how poorly designed the product you just bought is. Developers and forum moderators have very distintic jobs and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was no communication between them at all.

Anyway, my only issue here is about people desperately expecting game changes as result from posting on their forums. This is a place for discussion and a place for them to collect data (feedback) to address most issues. But when those basic, well known, general and long data pointed out problems are not addressed, I don’t think expecting a solution for one hidden class should be expected.

P.S.: Shinobis should use swords, if they want the class to remotely relate to “real life” ones (and I feel they want to, since their skills resemble historical ninja style). If that’s the case, Spears are wrong for starter. Making them use shields is just a prolongation of such problem. This could be summed up like this: the game has many issues and instead of fixing them, they make things worse. That’s how I’ve been feeling during the last 2 months I’ve spent playing this game and how I feel about new rank 8 classes coming in the near future.

#23

^
100% agree

you totally nailed that Shinobi part.

"A ninja (忍者?) or shinobi (忍び?) was a covert agent or mercenary in feudal Japan. The functions of the ninja included espionage, sabotage, infiltration, assassination and guerrilla warfare.

Although shorter swords and daggers were used, the katana was probably the ninja’s weapon of choice, and was sometimes carried on the back.The katana had several uses beyond normal combat. In dark places, the scabbard could be extended out of the sword, and used as a long probing device. The sword could also be laid against the wall, where the ninja could use the sword guard (tsuba) to gain a higher foothold.

An array of darts, spikes, knives, and sharp, star-shaped discs were known collectively as shuriken. While not exclusive to the ninja, they were an important part of the arsenal, where they could be thrown in any direction. Bows were used for sharpshooting, and some ninjas’ bows were intentionally made smaller than the traditional yumi (longbow). The chain and sickle (kusarigama) was also used by the ninja. This weapon consisted of a weight on one end of a chain, and a sickle (kama) on the other. The weight was swung to injure or disable an opponent, and the sickle used to kill at close range. Simple gardening tools such as kunai and sickles were used as weaponry so that, if discovered, a ninja could claim they are his tools and not weapons, despite their ability to be used in battle.

Explosives introduced from China were known in Japan by the time of the Mongol Invasions in the 13th century. Later, explosives such as hand-held bombs and grenades were adopted by the ninja. Soft-cased bombs were designed to release smoke or poison gas, along with fragmentation explosives packed with iron or pottery shrapnel. Along with common weapons, a large assortment of miscellaneous arms were associated with the ninja. Some examples include poison, makibishi (caltrops), cane swords (shikomizue), land mines, fukiya (blowguns), poisoned darts, acid-spurting tubes, and firearms. The happō, a small eggshell filled with blinding powder (metsubushi), was also used to facilitate escape"

Ninjas barely used spears. And if yes then they were modified short version for climbing or throwing.

Swords = yes
Spears = no
Throwing weapons = yes
Explosives/Decoys = yes

IMC made huge mistake and weird that they don’t even try to fix it. Heck it’s so easy to do it. Give sword weapon based class attribute, give Kunai toggleable attribute that change damage type from pierce to slash (and instead Shinobi would throw Shurikens instead of Kunari), etc. You don’t even need to have PhD in making games to come up with something.

It’s beyond any logic why Shinobi in ToS isn’t sword based, it don’t fit the theme of elite mercenary specialized in espionage, sabotage, infiltration, assassination and guerrilla warfare.
Not to mention that Shinobi class change quest (kill and don’t let other enemies see you) implies that this class should have some form on elite/high level form of invisibility and assassination tool. But in Shinobi kit there no such spells O_o

Instead we have some kind of masochist, pyroman/terrorist, kamikaze mix that for some reason works the best with spears (I wanted to be Dragoon but then I took kunai in the knee) than true elite assassin that mastered usage of bladed weapons and stealth

#24

In any game DEVS know what to do if u go forums of

Blade and souls —> ppl cry about hacks

The division —> ppl cry about differents exploits every day

Black Desert —> about stupid lvling system and unbalanced classes

Diablo 3 —> about how repetitive is the game

ArchAge —> about how the company kill the game months ago

Wildstarts —> about why the company make the game good after a year of launch

Want i continue? with Teso Aeria games etc?

The problem is not about the gender is dead is about the community this days is the worst only cry about games

Every game u play u will cry for everything u will find the way to says " im quit bb " or something like it

  • bots - hacks - bugs - exploits - racism - no end game - boring lvling - repetitve quest - bored of grind - game is dead

You will never will play any perfect game or u deal with it or u will jump on every mmo comes news and after some weeks u will cry and jump again

I know this game need to improve alot more to be better but personallity i atleast enjoy of playing with friends and dont need to cry every day

Edit : ofc i got 2 shinobi characters atm i know need better improve but wtf i deal 1,5M to 2M on full rotation no ones can outdps me im fine

#25

Apparently, QS-Scout is Shinobi with scatter caltrops and cloaking, and Shinobi is Phantom Lancer.

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#26

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#27

so by that logic mages should use card tricks and hats with rabbits

#28

Illusionist =/= Wizard

#29

The game is broken as sh1t…

#30

Just gonna leave this here…

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#31

no matter what IMC will do with clones it won’t change the fact that spear build (sword2 or sword1/peltasta1/hopllite2/corsair2/shinobi) will be always the #1 build and there will be no competition even if they let clones use few skills from other classes

the problem is that whole Shinobi kit is based on Pierce damage and it don’t have any Slash skills so it don’t have any synergy with Sword based build paths specially with Barbarian and it’s new buffed Cleave spell.

They can let clones use random skills from other classes but as long as there will be no Slash version of Kunai skill in Shinobi kit then no sword/slash build will be able to compete with Spear build

Finestra -> Spear Lunge -> Hexen Droppen x2 -> Clones -> Spear Lunge -> Kunai x12 (5 clones + player casting kunai two times) = boom deadly/nuke combo.

  • Kunai at level 5 deals 426 damage, it can hit 5x times (if hit in melee range just like Ranger’s Barrage) 426 x 5 = 2130
  • now add to this Hexen Droppen damage = 6 hits and all of Hoplite skills
  • and it’s without Spear Lunge buff and GIGANTIC crit rate offered from Finestra buff
  • let’s not forget about other Hoplite or Shinobi damage dealing spells. They maybe aren’t part of that deadly combo but they still deal Pierce damage and they have synergy with Finestra + Spear Lunge combo

Spear Based Shinobi can alone rain enemy with multiple hit spells and now add to this 5 Clones also throwing multitple hitting spells + add to this Spear Lunge debuff an you know this build is called Boss destroyer.

you won’t be able to achieve the same amount of damage with new silly builds with Highlander or other classes since there will be no synergy with Shinobi attacking spells. Not to mention that you won’t have clones available all time to proc multiple Highlander/Swordsman spells all the time and without them your damage will sucks balls. Even Barbarian Cleave debuff won’t help you since non of Shinobi skills will benefit from it

Not to mention that clones are so bugged that most of the time they don’t even use non-Kunai skills more than one time. You can cast Bash 3x times but clones will just cast it once and then stand like morons.

IMC really needs to give Shinobi 1 or 2 Slash skills ASAP if they want people to play non spear builds.

Simple example of simple solution for this:
A) new skill: Throw Shuriken: Shinobi throws 5 razor sharp shuriken that deal slash damage to every enemy they hit. Clones can use that skill
Shuriken fit Ninja/Shinobi theme

OR

B) instead of adding another skill just give Kunai skill attribute that change damage type of that spell from Pierce to Slash. If there are attributes that can toggle knockbacks on/off then why not make one that change damage type?

Shinobi could also get some class attribute that boost it’s damage while using sword weapon.

TL;DR
IMC please give Shinobi new skill that would be Slash damage type version of “Kunai” skill. It would FINALLY create some strong synergy for Shinbi class with Sword/Slash type build path (Barbarian, Highlander, Swordsman). Allowing clones to use few slash type skills of other classes won’t solve the issue of bad build diversity of Shinobi class. This class needs it’s own Slash type skills to really shine and open more strong/viable build paths

@STAFF_Max @STAFF_John @STAFF_Ethan @STAFF_Amy @STAFF_Ines @STAFF_No

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#32

In theory i think the best is Sword1/Hop2/H3/Shinobi (lets be honest pelt in shinobi is the worst thing since 2 of the skill focuses on you losing agro and the 3rd skill gives you 5x damage received), this build has no competition when it comes to dealing massive damage with kunai, heck i’m considering rerolling my s1/h3/c2/shinobi just to watch people open their jaws if my theory is right.

Finestra> Spear lunge> skull swing> clone> weapon swap 2H sword> cross guard> weapon swap to main > Kunai x 2.

Crossguard doubles the damage of pierce, with spear lunge also doubling pierce damage and skull swing making boss def 0. I truly believe with kunai x2 you will do 800k to 1mil + damage.

Based on this guy who is using a Swordsman - Peltasta - Hoplite - Hoplite - Hoplite - Doppelsoeldner - Shinobi (note only buffs he has on is deeds and finestra, boss debuff is spear lunge) Now imagine having h3 skull swing + crossguard to this…that’s right you get the only way to drop jaws shinobi lol.

#33

that’s why I dislike Shinobi in current state

it’s just pure pierce damage/spear type class…

you either go for hoplite/spear based shinobi or you can just forget about that character. I’m not surprised why all those people who didn’t picked hoplite but berserker or other class just trashed their Shinobi characters or even quit ToS. Diversity of Shinobi builds isn’t even worth bag of ■■■■

and that’s super bad and disgusting design specially that is already another spear/pierce based Rank7 character = Dragoon

#34

issue is 1 handed swords seem pretty useless in their current state for swordsman. im supirsed the swordsman does not have a trait to… well you know make them good with swords? . theres alot more going for a spear or even a 2 handed swords over a 1 handed sword at the moment. ok i understand spears and 2 handed swords require certain classes to even use over a sword but unless you didnt go down any of those classes why would you not use such weapons in the current state. highlander got a boost to crit with a 2 handed sword (cant remember if it was crit damage or crit rate but it was nice enough* and spear has finestra. Maybe to make the sword path more useful they should make some traits for swordsman, sword 2 and sword 3 to make them much more skilled with a 1 handed sword like idk a trait that makes them swing sword faster or more atk or def while wielding a sword. or maybe a buff that you can only use with a sword to boost something. just seems wierd that spear is the most efficient weapon for a shinobi of all classes lol

#35

And lookie here… I found how real Shinobi execute skills…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkqzpQYFegI#t=17

Skip to 5:22 for the gameplay…

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#36

Don’t think I’ve ever seen so much action and skills on a level 1 char before. Looks fun.

#37

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Rank8 Swordman classes officially killed the Barb2/Corsair2/Shinobi build

rip hope for that build to actually be good.

Time to make petition to rename Shinobi into “Another Generic Spear Wielder that for sure isn’t Ninja/Shinobi”

#38

Im at hop c3 right now going for dopel then shinobi, and im frikkin worried right now

#39

Now ill just login… do some 190/130 Dungs… Do Missions… and thats it… My interest just went down the sink.

#40

Even when Rank 8 isn’t announced yet, that build is already low in synergy. Deep condolences to people who got trolled and baited hard by ‘the most liked and famous Shinobi build in TOSBase that turns out to be a total BS’. In comparison, I was like ‘wtf?’ when I saw a Dragoon build over TOSBase that prefers to not pick Deeds of Valor which is Doppel’s strongest skill, and STILL recieving a lot of likes. Wow. Just wow.

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