After damage revamp sage has lost a lot of its value, missile hole is far less amazing than i used to be. I really feel like sage doesnt do anything now, im definitely gonna pick up enchanter c2 for the 15% block rate instead.
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You know there’s something wrong when a supposed red icon attack class is only considered good for support builds.
I get how great sage is for support, but being a red class, it’s really underwhelming in what it’s supposed to be. Circle 2 doesn’t help either with that long cast skill with mediocre damage and effect and that shop skill. Pretty sure most of the current Sages now will stay c1 and choose a diff r9, revert back to previous rank and go a diff route, or go c2 just for shop. No one actually builds towards sage because there are better choices for damage.
Maybe they can rethink the whole class and consider going the green icon support route.
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I was expecting some kind of Black Hole-type skill for Sage, since it’s supposed to be a Time and Space mage. Maybe they’re saving it for c3? In any case, I can’t really see the need for Sage in anything outside of a support build, which is disappointing since the class has a red emblem… then again Kino is Red as well and performs more like support, so maybe we’re taking the colors of class emblems a little too rigidly and/or IMC is being a bit more loose with it.
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Maybe people can not get hung up on a stupid color of an icon, learn about the class before they pick it, and make smart decisions.
Might be asking too much.
Sage old legacy is about duplicate fireballs to infinite multiply damage with JP+agny, and anti missile 1 hit KO in lv300+ maps or ET or TBL.
IMBA on broken system should not be consider strong, it was just broken design
But who do not know all everything stated above has changed? Sage now has no single point to shine in combat content, and heck even taxi service replaceable with quest teleport or squire camping
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… People picked sage to duplicate fireballs and not for the strongest PVP/PVE utility skill in the game for an entire rank of content?
Uh
Well, ok. Sure.
If you wanna seriously complain about the color of the icon, how about you look at the damage modifiers on the 2 damage skills? It’s a great end to a support build now. Y’all are crazy.
Then maybe devs could have not opted to change summoner class icons to purple, diev and enchanter to green, and fletcher to red. They clearly intended to categorize primary class roles through colors. You can keep arguing here about how great sage c1 is as an end to a support build, but it doesn’t change the fact that it has a red icon and its actual damaging skills do not match up to current rank 8 or future rank 9 skills, as well as it doesn’t really elevate lower ranks like how murmillo or taoist do.
It doesn’t help either that enchanter c2 will be a great choice now since it allows support builds to solo some content and it brings back the blocking without a shield mechanic we lost from stoneskin, has damage increase from enchant lightning, and has added sp from empowering. That and the general lack of need for missile hole in current pve due mainly to the added defense we got from armor from recent update and the removal of one-hit kills from ranged/magic mobs we used to dread from before May’s balance patch.
I’m not saying that Sage c1 isn’t great as a circle for support, it just feels like they didn’t spend any effort on its second circle to actually match up to the content we’re going to get.
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From what he said, wizard is the new cleric, having 2 support class at rank 8 
I think he is just one of that guys, that always go to the otherside of road.
I would rather classify sage as a green class.
Missile hole, Micro dimension, Warp.
All are non DPS skills but utility.
I remember back when Enchanter was considered an underwhelming/joke class…table are turned. Now Enchanter 2 has turned the class somewhat popular while Sage got their C2 syndrome (Doppel C2 anyone?).
Do not fret though, Sage C3 will save your build.
Well missile hole has always been a good skill but imo c1 sage has always been a bit underwhelming.
c2 is just really really bad tho. Missile hole caps at level 5 and neither of the c1 skills are good enough to make someone go c2 sage, c2 attack skill is just terrible in every possible way.
The only reason why c1 sage imo looked good and was the meta support pick was cause c1 enchanter was even worse than c1 sage.
Surely tables did turn with these classes, I do hope they would still work on making the c1 skills of both classes functionally better and more appealing.
I mean why didn’t these 2 classes get any new attributes when they clearly needed them. 
Isn’t Sage with the same problem than Falconer did have? Both are red icon classes with only one good skill (Circling - Missile Hole) in C1 and bad C2, but C3 made the class incredible, however Falconer is still a support Red icon, so I would not expect to Sage become a DPS class.
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i doubt that.
There is no reason to pick sage c2 at all. Just to increase Missile hole? Or be a uber seller? Micro Dimension lv1, its more then good. missile hole 5 is fine, ultimate dimension is not good at all, high animation, short aoe hit area, sad damage(even with high modificator%). Is not a good class, c3 can do what? change all skills? i trully doubt that.
My point with wiz tree, is there so make crafter and supportive classes, and low dps or some kind of “diferent” dps type of classes, that make wizard lovers cry.
EDIT: I think everyone espect something to save sage statement, and they give a long cast, short aoe skill, makes no sense.
You can also choose to willfully ignore that 2 of the sage’s skills are damaging skills with high % modifiers, and that not all damage classes are meant to be equal to each other in damage.
It is like you never saw Sages 1-shotting people in TBL before with micro dimension.
They might have some decent modifiers, but the cooldowns are extremely crippling compared to the same rank Shadowmancer which has higher mods, lower CDs, you could argue that sage has utility over Shadowmancer, but when you really think about it the only good utility skill Sage has is warping. Neither dupe or missile hole is anywhere near useful and worth taking over ench2/shadow. Its almost like Sage is a PvP only class. I dont see the reason to take Sage on any support anymore with enchant2 around.
but when you really think about it the only good utility skill Sage has is warping
No x1000
Missle hole is definitely one of the best utility skills in the game, and will continue to be so. Why such disregard for missile immunity?
So what if it isn’t 100% uptime? That would be like complaining that Ausrine isn’t up 100% of the time.
As i said i think its mostly a PvP class.
Ever since the damage rework i havent even bothered casting missile hole in solmiki, because individual hits really arent as dangerous as before.
Maybe if you did a run without a healer it could have some merit, but i’ve personally never felt a big difference from using missile hole vs not using it.
Well yeah cause Solmiki is a joke now. There are youtube vids of 350 content where ranged mobs are starting to do heavy damage again, so having missle hole will be very important.
Besides, if you are a cryo/chrono you might as well continue offering utility to your team since they are not taking you for heavy damage. I hope that every wizard support build keeps at least Sage C1 in their build, or they would be gimping their build for the sake of mediocre damage.
I suppose you have a point. Its kinda sad that Sage is only really remotely helpful because of a single skill. I like some of the utility enchanter brings as well though, and think that both Enchanter c2 and Sage c1 could work.
Sage c2 sucks so hard tho 
Yeah sage c2 sucks but there is time to make it better.
As an Inquis main, I looooove sage since they can duplicate breaking wheel, and now that the hit cap and duration of wheel are fixed, it is relevant even at lvl 1.
Dievs love sage since they can duplicate owl statues for added dmg.
Most support sages have Frost Pillar, which can also be duplicated for added mob control.
Ive never seen the AoE expansion of Ultimate Dimension used well, but that is because Pyro/Sage died with the fireball change. :c
Im sure there are more uses but they escape me at the moment…