Desolator does not even make any sense.
Shameless leechers want a P2W cash shop, because it means they can easily buy anything they want just by buying those few high selling goods for massive amounts of cash from players who need it to compete.
Why should they need to do any farming themselves? When they can just buy whatever item makes a person OP in PvP or raids or whatever in bulk out of the cash shop and use it to basically buy the best of the best in gear farmed by others.
I think we went off topic so many times in this thread⌠Just because of people want to straw man every point the âother teamâ says. Spirit of the original thread was about brainstorming solutions. I think we have 5 other threads for the P2W battle. Why not more talking about possible solutions.
@Raspy
everyone here has doctorate in business and economics degree and assures that IMC will get ROI via cosmetics only
How are people who are paying for the game leechers? Your fellows definition is quite clear âAnything that gives advantage through money no matter how small it is is pay to winâ, So therefore having a better PC is without a doubt pay to win, infact a game breaking one, you might find it ridiculous but thatâs how you are. The problem with people like you is that you are so delusional about your video game skills that you would blame anything for not being the best it just so happened in an online RPG the easiest scapegoat is paytowin. But then again not even my armor piecing skill would pierce your stubbornness, so Volvo please buff desolator!
Dude, I didnât say that features should be removed because theyâre convenient. I simply said just because they are convenient doesnât merit it as a reason to implement the feature to the game. Why does it have to be one way or the other?
Because shameless leechers are the ones who want to win without them doing any of the real work. Why would they want to grind out for that epic legendary weapon when they can buy it off someone?
Oh and I would say this:
In a game like Elsword due to how it is coded strangely a better PC does result in better gameplay, where higher framerate does mean better first hit detection (most other games maintain a ping buffer so the difference between someone with a higher and lower frame rate is not felt to anywhere near the same degree) and better resolution even means larger hitboxes.
In a game like this one? Better PC wont mean jack squat besides prettier graphics.
Nor would a shameless leecher get anything asking for a better PC from IMC cause they will simply shrug their shoulders and say âwe do not sell PCs, go to best buy or somethingâ. So trying to use better PC = P2W does not work for this type of game. It would not even work for Elsword since they do not sell PCs either.
The problem with trolls like you is that you think that having a cash shop that only exists to make the character prettier, or stand out from the army of clones running around, and having a few convenience items wonât survive when there is plenty of evidence that it does survive. Very well at that.
The reason why they survive well is because it builds up trust with the games community. A ton of players get burned by P2W tactics so when they see a cash shop that is devoid of P2W they become more inclined to spend money in that shop, they are not being forced to buy to survive the game and if the quality of the game is good then they will want to support the company anyways.
I am not delusional about my video game skills, I have not grinded my Ego exp to raise my Ego level. I am average joe level at best.
Then again at PAX Prime at the Dragon Quest Heroes booth I was apparently the 39th person (the event had been going for 3 days by that point) to figure out how to beat the Gigantes boss within the demoâs time limit. Hell, I had 5 people watching what I was doing very intently because of how fast I was blitzing the boss.
If someone exp boosted ahead of me I would say âoh well, go have fun with less people to play with and a market that does not really exist where its only full of sellers and no buyersâ.
Oh and funny thing about Armor Piercing skills they only ignore a certain amount of armor, not reduce it, so when something does not have armor (like stubbornness) it does not do anything. You are better off using a slash weapon like Logic (especially enhanced with Evidence) to cut through.
-Doesnât even know what a leecher is.
-Doesnât even know the difference between frame rate and ping.
-Labels anyone who disagree with him as troll.
-Says he isnât delusional about his skill and then proceeds to brag about how he is good at a certain game.
-Claims the same argument over and over again as if it wasnât proven to be false.
-Claims that he doesnât care about people being ahead of him yet doesnât want exp boost to be added in the game.
-Claims an argument to be illogical despite the fact that the argument is based of his own logic and yet his logic is perfectly fine.
-Denies every evidence that does not support his own delusional view.
People keep calling those who support a cosmetic cash shop as shameless leechers, when going by your same logic they are not leechers because they are supporting a cash shop where they will be spending money and being against the P2W cash shop where they wont be spending money.
So which is it? Is someone supporting a cash shop they will be using a shameless leecher or not?
As far as I can tell a shameless leecher wants a P2W cash shop. Since then they do not have to do the work to farm up money themselves, do not have to put in the work to farm up gear, and can just buy it all with their wallet.
Higher frame rate means you can respond to attacks faster. Ping buffer means that even though you responded to that attack faster your hitbox is still behind you and that higher frame rate meant nothing in the end. Giving you the same effective response time as someone with lower frame rate.
I label those who act like trolls, trolls. I label someone like Zombiefier a troll because thatâs all I have ever seen him do. Right now you have gotten on my troll list for the same reason.
I claim I am not delusional cause I see that there are people a lot better and more dedicated then me all the time. In just about all the games I play.
I have yet to see people bring up any evidence that cosmetic cash shops are not successful. They have not brought any examples up, and they keep saying our example of a successful cosemtics cash shop (path of exile) as not being successful in the face of the quarterly reports that says it is.
If you actually read any of my earlier posts you might have realized that I support having an exp boost in the game because it is convenience and do not understand how it is P2W and thus should not be included in the game.
Honestly your argument that shameless leechers would ask IMC for better computers was just as illogical, bad, based on your own logic and you treated it as perfectly fine. At least I pointed it out that it would not even work as an argument.
I have asked for evidence that people keep uh⌠not showing.
Please letâs not g near the VIP features. Weâve all seen how this turned out in browser games. A cash shop is there for anyone who wishes to spend a few bucks to gain an advantage, who one blames cashers. Just donât make the game pay to win with VIP features.
@ kvothe0153
so what do you think is pay2win in my suggestion? and how is it similar to the browser games you speak off?
Let me start off by saying i love most of the features you suggested. The thing is, those features on their own are not enough to warrant creating a VIP system for them. So other stuff will be added to make sure that the VIP system is âworth itâ.
From what iâve seen with countless other games, VIP systems will provide daily bonus advantages beyond the bonus exp/gold etc. Even though it starts off decently, it always snowballs out of control into something ridicuously p2w. Now if IMC can create something balanced and fair, i have no qualms with a VIP system, iâve just seen too much BS with those in the past.
Also, you may not realise it, but making priority item displays in the auction house would totally break the game imo. Other than that, the other suggestions are great.
In my opinion, as a F2P game, I think IMCgames will include Premium Service in their Cash Shop. Though the problem we are having in this thread(or any other thread) is how we can balance the content.
Let me clarify this first (this is what I understand as their definition):
Cash Shop - the place where we can exchange iCoins to an item or service of the game.
Cash Items - an item where a player can buy thru Cash Shop. It can be a Costumes, Weapons, Armors, Pets/Companions, Buffs items, Premium, Chat Bubble Design, Emoticons, etcâŚ
Premium - a service where a player can buy thru Cash Shop. It can be a 30-day Premium, 7-day Premium or 1-day Premium (from what I see on other similar games).
From what I experienced in other similar games, Premiums can give you drop rate increase, exp rate increase, movement speed increase, access to other content of the game, Small amount of potions, Special title, or sometimes a time-based mount (like 7day mount, etcâŚ).
Others know that some of the content of those Premium can be unbalanced to the game. So here lies the problem that we are having.
The problem we have now is âHow can we have a balanced Cash Shop/Premium?â
I know this kind of stuff must be solved by IMCgames themselves but as they state on some interviews, they are looking/listening for the communities idea to make a balance system between non-paying and paying users.
So here is just a suggestion:
Price for Premiums: 30-day(3000 iCoins), 7-day(750 iCoins), 1-day(150 iCoins or reward from a difficult hidden quest/raid)
Content(Iâm not saying all of them must be put in Premium):
Thatâs all I can think of as for now that canât be considered as P2W content.
PS: Please donât bully me when you donât like what I suggested. 
I like some of xShintotâs ideas (fashion thingys <3)
Great post, love your ideas!
I can hear people screaming âThis is P2W you can progress faster and reach higher level faster than the none payers and drop many more loot at high level and be unbeatableâ
Hahahaha. 
Then, we need to suggests to nerf Bonfire. Itâs OP. 
Using it can progress faster and level faster than the noobs who donât use it.
That 25% suggestion is nothing compared to someone spamming pots every 45 seconds.
Bonfire helps you regen every 2 secs tick. If every tick, you have 20HP regen, with that 25% increase, you will only have 25HP per tick. Not that big imo. And that suggestions only works while sitting, not on making an activity. 
A VIP pub with nothing to it other than looking pretty, seems like a lot of extra work for the developers that no one will ever use. Much like the VIP area in SWTOR.
Auto-pathing in towns is something everyone could use.
Priority auction with name-hide option free seems like you want to have an advantage at playing the AH without being noticed.
and people said my suggestion for premium account was pay2win
Free to play is very bad and will kill the game with time
why ?
Because poeple that want to spend all their salary on the game will get superior in term of gold in their character pocket by selling premium items and will gather much stronger equips in a really quick amount of time. MMO are competition between players. You are always comparing your character to an other and you play to become strong. play not pay.
Not free to play is better and will give a better image of the game on the player with time
Everyone pay the same amount of real money to acces the game, and here it is. No crazy game shop with all item to make your character stronger or no premium item to sell to player to earn faster gold. Be serious play fair. Content update is not market update. And if you have a little love for Tree of Saivor who is also an art creation not just a market product you would respect the world creator made.
Poeple crying for a free to play are poeple that will understand after a certain amount of time in a F2P game that they will never catch up be competitive and at the end, not have a good character and they will leave the game because they canât pay money.
All pay same amount of money to acces the game : No advantage for anyone we are all begening as same adventurer you and not your purse will define if you will be a strong warrior later.
Of course poeple that spend more time on the game will be stronger faster than the one that cannot do that. Avoid the free to play system and avoid the pay to win consequences will be a great long term victory for the game quality.
there is also others thing that are necessary for a good mmo like ,
Fight against bots, bugs abuse, hacking, gold selling, have professionals and serious gamemasters. Explain players that scamed is a risk when you play. And give a change character name or transfer server in case of harrasment.