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Please remove swordsman class

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#41

1 lv in peltasta (meat shield), Hoplite, cataphract, dragoon… (In whatever sequence you like, cataphract is advised…)
Aaaand, thats it… it is ridiculous how people try to say “research” when there is nothing to research… if your SW build is nothing near this one, it’s useless.

Where is the diversity? The Roleplay? The FUN?
Why is there even a need to chose which class you should advance to when there is already a premade path that you HAVE to take to even be a little relevant?
… You don’t play SW do you?

Do you even live bruuuuuuuuuu???
Meh, probably not, you live on your mother’s attic dontcha?

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#42

Swordie without peltasta? Reroll… Else check the shouts… LFM pel only+++++++

#43

Okay I don’t understand all of you people they remove them remove them but why remove an entire base class that’s silly when they can just both their class up the damages the tanking ability I don’t personally mind The Swordsman class I like the variety I don’t play one but it’s cool having them in the game they just need buffed

#44

hes’ right though. Childish as he may be swordsman really is a joke atm. Magic def won’t help you against range ccs. Having hp won’t help you against range nukes. Atm playing a pelt hop cata ive seen linkers and clerics tanking dungeon while providing useful heals and still output more dps. And late game swordsman basically boils down to “Do you have pelt c1 or not”. If you dont’, no one wants to party you, even if you have 10k more hp than everyone else.

Put it this way, if a entire tree is rendered useless/unwanted without taking 1 circle (or more specifically, 1 skill, and that is SB), that class is worthless. Right now this game really can do without swordsman. They’re not needed at all.

And if you’re bringing “role playing” and “fun” into the arguement you’ve pretty much already lost.

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#45

when that happens I want to be a healer and still tank with safety zone with better utility

#46

you cant spell weak… shut up… go back to school…

#47

you sound stupid. do without swordsman>? what level are you again?

#48

archers are too op https://www.facebook.com/RyoKenzaki/videos/10154181353743948/

#49

^This summed it up.
/20charsowrdieslululul

#50

XD I hate to say it but hes not wrong, and honestly i considered this very same thing. Like it doesnt feel like Swordsman should be a choice right now. It needs complete overhauling to be considered good. but it is indeed obvious the swordsman class literally feels incomplete. like half done, half considred . Damage values but no scaling on anything . even even evade magic and the one thing they are supposed to specialize in, physical defense, they apparently also get bodied by archers.

#51

I have a level 276 CataGoon. All you need is a chrono friend to party with. With that much mobility, i dont need pelt. The only grind spot where it was annoying was Evac. In abbey the mobs are so unresponsive as it is, im able to hit each mob once and pull to the center around the same time a taunt would be able to. Im a Con/Dex and i crit 75%+ with chrono buff. Its all about party comp. My rush crits for 6k+ at 55% attribute. My dragontooth and soar are around the same. My damage is more than enough to hold threat, and ive gotten top 6 dps SOLO on dullahan/Cerb/Rexipher. I do however agree with some of what has been said on this thread which is cataphract is one of the only viable pvp/pve builds (mainly pvp). While this is stupid, and i think that even the setup that i have chose needs a buff, i still get by just fine and have a lot of fun doing so. Also restrain stun from swordy3 is really strong for group play on torch events like storage and abbey. Pelt is a waste of a class IMO, the only place i would say it is needed would be ET. If anyone needs any advice on their swordsman feel free to contact me in game on Klaip. IGN is Atom.

#52

i hope they give dooplesolder healing ward and omnislash , i will reroll playing swordman for that skill

#53

you sound stupid. do without swordsman>? what level are you again?

you sound noob. and stupid. and childish. and clueless.
Yes, do dungeon without swordsman is completely possible. The only swordsman who are of any use is the ones who took pelt c1, who tanks a little bit easier because they have SB.

What level are you? Ask any lvl 200+ and they’d tell you swordsman without pelt c1 are useless. So what’s the point of the class? If you miss 1 circle the class is deemed worthless. You can’t out dps other class, and you survive only a bit longer but that too is offset by the fact that you are melee range. You might as well give paladin the ability to block and taunt and remove the class altogether.

You sound like a boy who couldn’t comprehend simple logic. What level are you again?

#54

All you need is a chrono friend to party with.

You need other classes to be effective at doing what your circle is supposed to do. This highlights the problem. I’ve never heard anyone from other classes saying “I need a chrono friend else i can’t dps well.”

While this is stupid, and i think that even the setup that i have chose
needs a buff, i still get by just fine and have a lot of fun doing so.

Fun has nothing to do with it, honestly. If a class, by popular consensus, is considered useless without taking 1 out of the many circles available, that class should either be reworked or removed, or other classes nerfed to accommodate the meta.

Give Paladin the ability to taunt and block, and swordsman, fun as they maybe, might as well not exist.

Pelt is a waste of a class IMO,

Sadly, your opinion is in the minority. Pelt may be “a waste of a class” (and i agree, you’re pretty much taking it just for SB and guard) but it is one that most people won’t play without.

#55

Yeah, Swordsman are nothing really but aggro punchbags, and if they’re not, they’re not really that useful later on in the game. I’m so glad I didn’t pick Swordsman on any of my four slots.

#56

The only way Swordsman will and can be viable is if they introduced a resolve system where once you received a certain amount of CC you are immune to CC for a short period of time. They did this in swtor to prevent players from getting stun locked to oblivion.

Same could work here when range class have such an overwhelming advantage over melee class.Replace Dash with Resolve then Swordsman might be viable then.This way, their high HP gives them an advantage over other classes because they have the capacity to survive the chain stuns.

#57

well guys lets just keep hope. let’s all remember that archer was in a worse position. imagine being swordsman without peltasia. that is what the archer was, and after they decided they want to renew the whole tree, they are considered kings of pve .

so keep expressing complaints about Swordsman until they reach the ears of the staff. and then we’ll see Shinobis outdpsing anything wiz or archer just because thats what they should be doing.

#58

I really like it when intenionally imbalanced classes are put 1on1 and complained to always lose. For a reason in almost every game the relevant competitions are 3v3 or 5v5, or GvG so classes can play tactical instead of braindead.<

#59

Thanks for nerfing swordsman damage for iTOS launch because swordsman wasn’t ■■■■ enough! lol skyliner 15 second cd