why not a use a skill that has 3 overheat, knockdown and 6 seconds CD?
its great when your earth wave is on CD and you are in a 5v5 or 2v2 situations
Hmm. Bash is really that good huh⌠another atk skill in my hot keysâŚhmmmmmâŚ
it has 6 second CD 3 overheat and its a knockdown
why not use it?
the goal of the class is to keep CC your opponent and disable him completely, bash is another tool when your skills are on CD
So Iâve read in another thread that Lancer is crappy and that Goon2 is the new top DPS meta.
Now Iâm confused. Just speculation I guess. Too early to decide now.
Definitely too early, but lancerâs probably not gonna help a lot with DPS.
only hope for lancer in pve is probably quaintain, as we dont know its special effect in detail yet. At least crush 50% defense decrease could be not so bad (to go with dragoonâs stuff).
but at most is just so so dps, nothing great like dragoon2.
lancer is probably swordman version of psycho, crap pve, great pvp.
I will probably max headstrike for extra crit chance + near instant kill if it ever crit. Since burst dmg so important for pvp.
Since I am taking lancer⌠i am planning out a meta pve build so i can earn money, i guess wiz had to do this too, so w/e. AT LEAST we get to kill some wiz in pvp⌠i hope.
Except Lancer is just 1 rank. I donât see it benefiting too much more from a 3circle investment, so after dragoon>lancer you could go back to dragoon 2 for epic DPS, or more lancer if you really loved it.
Where did you hear lancer is 1 rank only?
He meant 1 rank âat the momentâ, or 1st circle only (compared to Dragoon circle 2).
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Yeah, as @Biskee said, I was referring to the comparison of Lancer to Kino as a PvP class, except Kino usually goes C3, and Lancerâs PvP kit is unlikely to improve too much in later circles. You could, hypothetically, take dragoon c2 later on and still enjoy the dispelling, mouth-shutting goodies Lancer has to offer.
Lancer is a PvP oriented class (the unhorsing doesnât even affect mobs) so it is expected that the DPS is lower.
You canât be god at grinding and top PvP at the same time, unless you are wizard.
There is also the question of new earth tower stage. Does it need more aoe or single target?
So few answers so many questions âŚ
For ET you need sustainable AoE DPS. Well, figure a pack of mobs has 500k HP or more.
With R8 I think the best party for ET would be 1 healer 1 cryo-chrono-sage 1 pelt-rode-murm and 2 SR3
Makes sense. But remember when people would say fletcher is only for PVE or that PD is only for support? Iâd hate it when Goon2 even outclasses Lancer in terms of PvP effectiveness if thatâs the case.
Well, I expect a damage scale down for dethrone in PvP soon. It deals 16k damage (after reduction), 2 times, bind targets, and 16s cooldown. Yes Dragoon 2 will insta-gib anyone in PvP just like archer now, and it shouldnât.
u saw some dragoon 2 pvp video? share link plz. New earth tower stage too plz.
16k in pvp sound like the damage went unchanged unlike all the old skills (which get huge reduction in pvp mode). I would consider a bug (or oversight), but maybe imc consider it a feature.
originally when i considered dragoon vs doppel, i wanted gae bolg to be good ranged atk. If dethrone live up to that dream (imagine gvg, 4 dragoons aim the same spot against a team⌠that would wreck), i may just roll a 2nd swordman for dragoon.
Well i mean its not hard to imagine dethrone would be good in pvp. W/o a nerf im confident the dgoon2 could win vs lancer ez.
where does the bind target come from lol, I thought it was just blind.
Hmm. Still detrone though. And silence atks and kd normal atks. Lancer is for purely pvp clasa. Dragoon2 is pve and half pvp of lancer.
In my build though.dragoon2 is the best way to go.but I like lancerâŚ
It appears youâll need at least Hop2 (for Spear Lunge debuff) and Dopel1 (for DoV) to be a high-DPS dragoon2. Not having both, or just 1 of both, could make you a non-optimal Dragoon2 because the rank seems to be built around maximizing DPS (like how Fletchers are recommended to get a least 1 rank in Ranger for Steady Aim).
This means that for Cata3 builds, you wonât have the option to take either Hop2 or Dopel1. If you force Goon2, youâll become half a dragoon compared to pure DPS goon2 builds, and will miss out on the CC/defensive/anti-magic arsenal Lancer brings.
I think I would agree with OP that Lancer is indeed the next version of cata3, whether youâre SwPelHop or Sw3. The class also still has 3 burst skills anyways so youâre not solely relying on cata skills to dish out numbers. Whatever you take at R7 is up to you, though I personally have decided that Goon1 is the most practical due to 2H-spear synergy from cata to dragoon to Lancer.
Lastly, if R10 is indeed the max rank, youâll eventually get to fully maximize all 3 Lancer circles. Iâm really liking this route: Sw3 Cata3 Goon1 Lancer3 - because there wonât be much power creep (new/different skills making lower rank skills obsolete/useless).
Not saying the PelHop route is bad though, but itâll be tougher to keep and fully use low rank attack skills in the rotation especially on tight situations. Letâs hope theyâll allow Lancers to go 1H-spear and shield.