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Starting to see a pattern in the PvP rankings.

Essentially almost no swordsmen or archers in the top page ever. Also that IceWater guy has been in the top for some time but not sure what build he’s actually running. Likewise I get curious when I see druids because I have no idea what they’re running.

You’d be amazed how real the DPS grass is, a good build to suport it is just icing on the cake.

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maybe they should make muskets have a reload between shots, so it’s only useful for skills usage.

do you think doppels buff is as good as the new ranger one?

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Honestly I’d be amazed if they don’t have a ‘‘Reload’’ skill to boost X ammount of skills used/shots fired at C2 or C3.
But an universal reload mecanic for them would probably ask for a buff to Muskets in general then as it could easily become a problem with ping, animation locks and all that. Would create more trouble than it’s worth.

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Or maybe they used that Grand Cross since lv 40 and there’s no real reason to drop it ever?
Sure they can pick up a lv 220 xbow and +10 it for another 2m for about 300 more attack, but the point is one is a weapon you can use from lv 40 and unless you care about MAX DAMAGE and uses weapon swap there’s no reason to pick up another weapon.

Btw, a straight 0->15 with Grand Cross would cost about 500k, +5 of lv 220 weapon alone is almost 600k.
I think the +15 (or even +10) saves more money in the end, just saying.

I’m not saying to drop Grand Cross, I’m saying that there’s no reason to keep firing with it after using the skills, and you are already playing Tree of Auto-Turret you may as well go for the best damage you can posibly do.
And yeah it’s about 500K getting it to +15… assuming you never, ever fail. Which drops you back to +0.

Nope. There’s no pattern as of now. In this stage, only few percentage of population are committed to spend an hour doing PvP every time the arena is open. This stage is still the exploration phase, everybody is still levelling up and hunting for silver and equipment.

Besides, it is still the first week after the first ranking chart reset.

It was changed a while ago ( also during iCBT2 ) that enhance doesn’t drop to 0 when failing, it just goes -1.

Upgrade a +6 item to +7, fail, it goes from +6 to +5.

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People keep writing things they’re not 1% sure and are not even playing the game. How can people be so sure of things even if they’re not in the game to know about it? gawd…

People please stop whining and speculating and play the game to back up your theories and discover if this class is op or not or whatever.

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I just laugh whenever I sees people talking about ping simply because everyone talks about it, but they never understood anything.

Among all the archer job known, only one job beat QS strictly in terms of dps. Nope, it isn’t musketeers. All other archer jobs are no where near QS dps. So even if a QS suffer from ping and is shooting an arrow EVERY 2 second, this QS under bad ping still out DPS non QS archers.

Remember, running shot= 300% an arrow. Or 380% for grand cross. 300% dmg every 2s(bad ping QS) is way more dps then what any archer skill does.

Why are people complaining about OP when different job are suppose to do different thing? Complaining about OP is different from complaining about shortcoming of a job. Archer is simply OP. When archers start getting skills with % but other branch doesn’t, you know something is wrong. Unless IMC is slowly going to convert ALL SKILLS to be percentage base, archer will always be the OP class from now onwards.

Before anyone remind me that wizard have +50% anyway too, yeah dps is dmg per second. CD is a factor. So you all prefer IMC to force you to look at a “black skill bar” for a minute or so just like wizard?

I am never one to cry for nerf, since I feel it is way more fun to play a QS in the current form, but if IMC is lazy, then nothing else but archer nerf will satisfy the cry for “balance”.

It is either everyone matches archer, or drag archer down to everyone else level. But will IMC entertain the former?

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Nope, a QS with high ping does horrible damage. Also it’s +200% on autos, +280% with grand cross. Doing +280% on an auto with high ping ( as you say, once every 2 seconds ) is not going to outdamage … anything. Especially not a ranger.

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Er???

+200% is 300%. You know, like 100%+200%=300%?

Well tell me, what cookie cutter archer build actually does at least 300% dmg every 2s?

I just check, unless barrage cd isn’t 18s anymore, I don’t see why a ranger will be doing better then 150%/s

5arrows1.452(for overheat) is only 1450% over 18s, or roughly 81%/s(round up for the benefit of the spare change coming from barrage “skill dmg”)

But I got more skills then just barrage? Yeah that is true, but barrage being the best only contributes 81%/s, how else do you think you can easily make up for the remaining 70%/s to even beat a “bad ping” QS?

bla bla bla

This coming from a guy who doesn’t even bother to read. I guess you are only capable of parroting what others are posting.

Hitting arrows at 1/3 the speed? So is it an arrow every 2second? Or an arrow every 1.5s? Or an arrow every 5s?

Go actually play the game, make a ranger, and figure it out for yourself, paper warrior. I’ve already played both classes, so I ( and anyone else who has played both ) know the difference.

Sometimes I question why Wizards are complaining about the fact that Archer has more damage output.
Wizards can buff the party and can support party with CC.

Even though they don’t have the “best” damage compared to Archer, so what? All Archer has is damage with self utility skills to make themselves stronger and that’s how they should work. That’s their role, a pure DPS.
On the other side, Wizard can deal damage and they have team-based utility skills to support their team. That’s their role, a support with DPS capability.

When people say this “DPS Wizard is not viable anymore”, I just wanna say that Wizard is not a strictly DPS-based class in the first place and you actually should be grateful for that. :expressionless:

This is how I see each class role right now :
Swordsman : primary tank, secondary damage dealer
Archer : primary damage dealer
Wizard : secondary damage dealer, secondary support
Cleric : primary support, secondary tank

I don’t know much about QS, but I agree with you on some points.
Any Archer can throw Wugushi from their build because QS does a better job.
Scout is still useful for its utility skills such as Camo and Cloak.
As for Sapper, yeah, you can simply auto attack stuff to death while the enemy are running towards your Caltrops.

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Doing dungeon 90 yesterday. Matchmaking and got pt with 3 archer and 1 priest c3, while im a support cleric. Priest only buff blessing, sacrement and revive all the time. The good thing is monster down too fast. They dont even need heal. Yeah, fast clear dungeon. The bad thing is i feel so useless. Support should be buffing, healing, but i dont even need to do anything. I try dps abit. Zaibas FTW! But 1 strike of zaibas and it already die. o.o
In the end, i just leech and doing nothing. Just curious, does tank and healer really need in this game? =/
Er, sory for my bad english.