Inb4 new Rank9 offers a class which uses shield in main Hand - Double Shield Shinobi…Knowing IMC this isnt impossible… -.-
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These guys in Dark Souls 2. No Weapon? When they double slam big shields in your face you know what you underestimated. 
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yeah what scares me most is the possibility that they would do that anyway. 
With a token and rank 5 attribute you have 9 buff slots and normally support builds with a lot of buffs, have a rank of krivis or use daino scrolls, you shouldn’t be running out of buff slots anytime soon. The hit count refers to every time you use a skill not every hit, so for example cyclone uses one charge of the hit count.
With a 70 str + 150 dex or so and attributes lvl 7 concentrate adds 147, (lvl 5 concentrate with 650 str, yes a str build, adds over 200). While it has a hit count it isn’t on a timer for debuffs like your example.
Of course, this is all opinion as much as your argument. There’s no real way to distribute gungho and concentrate, I just put my two cents in xD. Personally though I’d say 5 double slash, 9 concentrate and 3 gungho.
sword 3 hoplite 3 dragoon 2 is better imo bud
spear lunge just makes stuff so much stronger
And Concentrate is simply flat damage on top. Kind of good for PVP with Cata Rush and bad for anything else as it scales with absolutely nothing.
hop2-dopp1 > hopp3…
sw3-hop2-dopp1-dragoon2 = gg wp
I quoted that build further up already
Yeah this build ain’t supposed to be aiming for dps.
If you’re aiming for highest dps, just go the standard SW>pelt>Hop3>Dop>Goon2
It’s more about trying to bring utility to the table. Armor break will become more and more important as levels increase - we are already getting monsters with 1000+ defense.
I’m thinking more for the long term. What’s stopping physical damage dealers getting the same treatment as mages with 4000+ mdef monsters?
Peltasta’s Guardian will also become important in the future as evasion drops off (it’s already starting to drop off at current level cap now). Soon you’ll be forced between one of the two choices:
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Invest fully into DEX/evasion and giving up on defense and risk getting 1-shot by high level mobs (clerics can’t save you).
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Invest into defense/CON and take more but manageable hits.
why hop2 dopp1 > hop3? can elaborate for me please?
Yeah now I think about it, hop 3 > hop 2 dop 1 in PVE coz can spam spear throw
Both are crap in PVP
Actually that isn’t the case. You can just dump silvers into transcend armor. Which the game want you to do so at least for high tier armor (30-100 %).
Even a Leather armor can give you 500 defense.
On the other hand the moment you run dov (which is the trademark for doppel thats a -25% defense in future 50 now.) and cyclone will is getting a hit in the nerf ( the 5 point cyclone seems weak.)
As compare to support dps on hop 3.
You might need not to worry as much on armor break actually for now. Assuming you are running power spiking future circles.By this i mean dragoon 3 or a new rank class.
Well… dethrone skill power isn’t a lie…
(even if you look at meme. It wasn’t warlock that was having issue Since the damage for warlock 1-2 is still high. It was elementalist which is the core circle that is having the issue)
So…what are you trying to say?
I read through your wall of text and still don’t get your point.
Sorry for runing a little of suject, but for the hop3 dragoon 2, probably will be better the glad/phada over sissel? or na?
Basically you can just invest Dex and Armor as such. Leather armor does give you HIGH Pdef. Due to transcend. Any type of armor works seriously.
IMC wants you to do this.
Basically it doesn’t matter. As long as you are not PICKING previous rank classes it is never a worry.
This is what i am trying to say.
basically this, you can go non-meta but don’t be stupid about it.
For me it’s plate set on all my r8 chars, not doing this rng evasion BS. Only my scout 3 uses full evasion but that’s because he solo 145
But plate will always give higher pdef than leather.
You might think wearing leather with transcend and getting hit for 1k per hit is fine, but if you wear plate with the same transcend you might get hit for 1 per hit.
I’d rather the latter. Why bother stack evade when you can just reduce it right down?
That’s what average geared elememe warlocks thought when rank 8 hit. Then they advanced to warlock c2 and still did 1 damage.
Physical damage dealers have it easier with armor break, no matter what kind of armor spike monsters have, skull swing and umbro thrust can remove it. Wizards would kill to have the same type of mdef breaker.
If you’re gonna assume everyone can get high level transcend so it “doesn’t matter”, then you might as well tell people to go with a rainbow build because you’ll pick a rank 8 and still do damage with high level transcend gear. Problem is not everyone can achieve high level transcend gears, so we gotta be careful what we pick otherwise it’s possible we will see our toons doing 1 damage later on.
er no i am an average geared warlock and i dont see c2 warlock dealing near rubbish damage infact it was DT and maestera plus pole dealing significant damage.
it was meme frost cloud that is rendered useless.
Elememe is focus on ELE itself not warlock.
People are actually crying why Ele is insignificant not warlock.
Warlock cries was only due to the fact pole sucks and it’s heavily a single target burster DT. The other 2 new warlock skill is literally crap.
This game goes like this pick whatever buff classes pre 6 or 7 focus on your end R8, R9, R10 class . Done.
As for evasion and plate why not have both .
You even have the choice to opt for cloth to reduce magic damage because clearly you can transcend and stack flat defenses.
p.s Plate can go up to 6.5k, Leather 5k , cloth 4k.
This is just with pardoner buff. If you carry a shield and have guardian that’s even more.
Also getting hit will flinch u on certain cases unless you have perma PB. Which is always the issue.
Regardless of all the shiet you still hit the defense thresh hold which cause all targets even solmiki hits you 1. Yes by wearing cloth.
So it does not matter you are off the point… Transcend even give you Bonus HP.(this bonus is also applied to any stats adding item).
The main key is are you willing to sink silvers or are you casual?
If you are casual why are you putting your “average level so high”.
The average this day are trans stage 4 weap + mostly transc stage 2-3 armor + accessories. This is extremely cheap. Cheaper than throwing 86 million into attributes.
That is the so call average gear this day.
When you have higher/new content your expectation of average have to be higher a level at least.
In the end all of this is due to flat mechanics and game design flaw.
Then again this is just relative information. I will not derail your thread. Your non-meta alternative.
It will work technically.
It’s more of a heavily focus support for Physical meele damage.
you might render yourself to unfavorable trades on r9/10 if there are spear focus favors + even more pierce damage. Thats’ about it.
As for the argument on murmillo,
People actually take pelt 2 for guardian + 1 rotation on umblow and swash It’s just personal preference.
Nothing is bad about it.
Jesus, that says a lot about your “average” already. I certainly don’t see trans stage 4 weapons and that kind of gear much when I inspect people around Feidiman
We’re clearly talking about 2 different things here so I won’t go any further in this.
Just that I wanna stress, the early rank classes that you pick do matter a lot as well, not just what you pick at rank 7-8. Utility and synergy helps a lot as well, it’s not just about gear even though gear helps a lot. That’s why nobody goes for rainbow builds (different class each rank).
Different server differ.
On varena the base line on average is this level.
And the extreme ends are like yugimori and ulgah ( trans stage 6-10.) Telsia
not sure if Sea servers are too hard core. Or the rest are too chill-lax.
As for builds as long as there is synergy to Later class it will not go wrong or off too much.
Rainbow builds like e.g rouge > X >X >X scout whichever. for feint and barrage combos will work well eventually even in the end.
Basically if the buff is so good to pass by and you don’t grab it you are at a lost. Like finestra but it only works for spear and spear lunge which give you even more pierce damage.
What matters in the end product is what you are aiming for. If it fits no one can argue anything because you blend to your party.