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Hoplite C3 and Cataphract C3 What to choose?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#21

STR ain’t that bad, but having some points in DEX isn’t either. CON will always be the superior stat in PVP (and even in PVE especially for tanks), especially for the Sword class with its great natural HP scaling.

You can lean more towards having more STR than DEX and compensate with that using three lv.6 gems on your 2H spear. If I’m right that’s about 96 crit rate in total (+23 more if you use Cata Pike = 119 crit rate). That’s about 100+ points spent in DEX which you could have spent in STR instead for more damage (and STR scales better).

On the other hand, you also get evasion with DEX, which when stacked with the pet evasion bonus is actually nice to have along with a full leather armor set. Later on though, you will either be using a full plate or full cloth set (can’t dodge magic) depending on the situation, and against higher level mobs w/ higher crit resistance, going full DEX starts to fall off compared to having more STR.

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#22

Gotcha, but what about accuracy? Other high dex/evasion characters/monsters can just kite me all day if my dex is low? Or is it more dependent on level alone?

#23

Can’t give you a solid answer for that since I’ve only reached 210 on my main so far but I’ve been reading here in forums that accuracy scales with level and if you just keep your gloves updated (best one you can use on your current level with the highest accuracy rating + enhancement/upgrade) you will have no problem hitting mobs and non-pure DEX, high evasion players (mostly from the Archer class).

Even against high-evasion players, most usually don’t invest much in CON which means they’ll have low crit resistance - this is where your crit rate bonuses from equips and gems come in handy.

Some go hardcore with zero points in DEX.

This is why I’m more biased towards STR (and I used to be a DEX guy). XD

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#24

Quite an interesting perspective. Mobility is the best thing in cata c3 then. DEX as a source of crit and evasion doesn’t scale well with the game mechanics, what about accuracy? Autoblock also is nice when it happens, but really not that important if I can just tank it or block manually.
Also, most of where this build is taking me makes it very hard to deal any damage in PvP and slow to grind in PvE (at least til lv200), is it possible to get a -decent- PvP character at the end of this build? I get mobility again is king in the arena, but it’s no fun if I can’t hit back at all.
This of course, sounds quite noobish to you, which it should since I’m just starting out here, so am I asking for too much out of a simple build? Is multipurpose not an option?

#25

i have 70points into dex that 91dex. with a roxona plate glove and i have never miss and attack.

this isnt ro where monsters have so many diff type of stats

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#26

“only reached 210”. Ok, I’m miles behind and I really like your answers. I won’t push too much dex into it, as I’ll be needing CON for whatever I end up doing and already have a fair amount of STR. If It’s a matter of PvP, a low CON char with high evasion can only escape for so long, and given the mobility advantage, probably not for long enough.

#27

you have alot of powerful attacks from hop c1, cata c3 and goon for pvp.

remember that pvp in this game is broken.

look at your own dmg and then see your hp pool. how many of your own hit it takes to kill yourself.

now apply your dmg to fools archers wiz who build glass cannons in pvp.
for the smarter guys who build con or hybrid in pvp, then you have impale,rush,trott,doom spike,earth wave to dmg them.

u move fast so you have a better chance at finding an opening to attack them. ur against a human so u have to outwit with the tools u have against the tools the other person have.

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#28

Haha nah I’m also miles behind others who started with me since the open beta. I’ve only been doing dungeons and missions lately (having a kid and a job gets in the way).

Tankiness and mobility alone is already a deadly combination IMO. Add in your CCs (stun, knockdowns, impaler) and it gets even deadlier.

What’s more, and I think the most important aspect of playing this class, is it’s reaaaaaally fun to use both PVP and PVE. Questing is abreeze as you can move across maps faster than any other class.

You’ll be laughing your ass off when you get a chance to party with a Chronomancer C3, or you’ll get dizzy because the screen moves too fast for your eyes to catch up, or both. XD

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#30

You guys are awesome haha @Biskee real life ALWAYS gets in the way. I’m playing at night a couple hours a day. Can’t wait to turn my enemies into skewers. Now I have to either go back and do the mob kill count missions or let the books do its magic, then become a cata C1. Running on my feet is SO TIRING!

@paulbohphoto I’m counting on all those CC to be annoying enough, I’ll learn to play it, I’ve always compromised somehow in all MMORPG and just tune it at the end to have a decent PvP experience. My own HP (6.5k) vs my atk (300) isn’t that bad, but I can imagine a comparable level char of another class could easily be 3K HP. That’s a Pierce-able target for sure.

Now I’ll sleep, but I’m thankful I decided to come here after forgetting it was maintenance day.

Thanks everyone, even you OP :laughing: sorry for stealing your thread. See you around!

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#31

I haven’t been able to party with a Chrono on my cata yet unfortunately. They’re in demand but surprisingly still rare.

Not sure if slow missile-type magic will try to chaste you down as I haven’t tried running really far from it without stopping as they don’t damage that much compared to other magic type attacks.

A chrono3 in another thread I’ve talked with though said a max haste buffed cata3 can cross a whole screen in 1-2 seconds. Insane. I think I saw a Youtube video of it before.

Small-AOE ground target skills like Snipe will definitely be dodgeable unless you’re pre-disabled by something that goes through pain barrier.

#32

I can see that movement speed being totally broken in 5v5 matches…

Start match, get buffs
Collect meat (impale and come back) in 4seconds?
Burn first victim
Repeat
It’s 5v3 now

Is this even possible? Lol maybe I’m reading the pvp environment wrong but that would be annoying as…

#33

Btw, I still couldnt find a definitive answer about which mount to use, what you guys think its better ? Velheider or Hoglan ?

#34

Cata3 is good for pve farming? i hate pvp:(

#36

I just started playing as a Cataphract, so for i’m loving the mobility (setting up mobs and fighting and even getting the maps 100% explored) and Earth Wave is awesome ! :slight_smile:

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#37

I see^^ Which stats need a Cataphract for PVE?:slight_smile:

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#39

i would say if you are looking for PVP,

Swords -> peltasta -> swords -> cata c3

this would be good for PVP since 25% stund when using rush, cata has a lot of CC skill, so if 1 of it hit, -> rush you can kill off opponent with that.

i haven’t try the swordsman 2 since i went 1 point for hoplite, need people who tried it gives some input.[quote=“gabesz19870218, post:37, topic:283171, full:true”]
I see^^ Which stats need a Cataphract for PVE?
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full STR for PVE~~~ con if needed LOL

#40

Everytime a I read this thread I get more doubt :((( hop3 or cata3 :tired_face:

#41

I’m currently at rank 3 now (sw>pelt>hop) and so far, i find stabbing quite useful even at level 50 dungeon runs. makes me tempted to go for hop 3 > dop > drag. (aside from knowing we’ll never be at par with archer/wiz dps) will I be disappointed with the damage if I go dop > drag? and is the +x% block from finestra 15 significant enough to make you a decent tank?