If IMC realizes that its a thing, that is.
but yes i wouldn’t rely on it staying around forever, thats why i took your advice not to build around it.
But while its here its easily exploitable.
hey, can you suggest me a build for pve fencer? right now im sword>pelta. I was thinking in something like this but I don’t think if it will works:
I read that barb is better than HL but I think I don’t like the concept of the barbarian… should I go for HL3 and drop corsair?
@Cathexis
Ill also note that the weapon swap animation into a 2H sword (from the hotkey bar) and immediately using cross guard can be done in about 0.20s without file editing, if you have low ping like me.
canceling channeled skills can also be done without file editing, but you will still see at least one frame of the skill.
File editing breaks the game tho…
you can even edit it to use skills that you shouldent be able to use while mounted
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Either option is fine. If you want to play Highlander, then that is good too.
Between Corsair and Highlander C3, it would depend whether you consider the extra silver from Jolly Roger more important or if you would rather have Armor Break from the 3rd circle of Highlander.
Your build looks good overall, but make sure to get level 1 of Moulinet just so you have an extra damage skill in your bar for your early levels.
Yeah, this is what I recommend. The entire process of weapon-swapping and using an skill can be done almost instantly with good reactions (and ping).
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Hello everyone,
Iam complete New to this kind of game.
The last 3-4 Days i have done a lot of reading about TOS and its classes.
But First i want to thank Autentist and Cathexis for those two big guides.
I want to try out Swordsman.
So the idea here is to play DPS PVE.
One hand Spear and Shield and later Two Hand Spear.
In some situation i can swap from 2HSpear to 1HSpear Shield for more “Tank”
Here’s my build
Swordsman.C1
Gung Ho and Concentrate is a no brain i think
The rest i take Bash and Pain Barrier 4-1
Peltasta.C1 (tank situation)
Swash Buckling the only one “Taunt”
The rest i go for Umbo Blow and Guardian
Hoplite.C1
Finestra is a no brain
Stabbing-Pierce-Synchro Thrusting = 5-4-1 ( Not sure if this is good or not )
Hoplite.C2
Finestra same as above
Stabbing-Pierce-Synchro Thrusting= 10-7-1 (Again not sure if this is good or not)
Spear Lunge just one point because more does not increase the duration of the vulnerability to Pierce attacks.
Long Stride just one point. (But maybe without it)
Hoplite.C3
Finestra same as above
Stabbing maxing it out
Spear Throw just for the 0cd Cooldown
Pierce put the rest of the points
Doppelsoeldner.C1
Cyclone i think is a no brain to max it out
Deeds of Valor max it out to
Mordschlag or Double Pay Earn i would take full Mordschlag but not sure.
Dragoon.C1
Gae Bulg i think that the Dmg of this spell is insane so max out
Dragontooth-Serpentine-Dragon Soar i think i but the points so 5-4-1
So this is how my build looks like.
I would appreciate some feedback about the build.
Now about the stats allocation.
I think i would go with 10 points rotation.
5-STR, 3-CON, 1-SPR, 1-DEX
Not sure if 3-Con in all rotation would be necessary.
Again i would appreciate some feedback about this.
I would be grateful for all of your comments.
Hello, welcome. Let’s see:
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Swordsman: Remove 1 point from Bash and add it to Pain Barrier, as it is the best way to use that remaining stat point (you only need Bash at 3 for the knockdown attribute).
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Peltasta: You want 1 point into Rim Blow because it is a knockback skill.
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Hoplite: Consider taking Spear Throw to level 5, removing those points from Pierce, as it is generally a better option to have as a damage tool at higher levels.
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Doppelsoeldner: Mordschlag only serves as a CC skill, so level 1 is more than enough for it. The other 4 points should go into Double Pay Earn.
You don’t need SPR, so you can skip that one.
CON is way too high, try reducing it to 1~2 points instead (you can fluctuate between these values as you evaluate the progress of your character as you keep on leveling it).
I think your stat allocation is fine for early levels as a new player to the game, so we can throw that extra point from SPR into DEX and it would look like this:
6 STR : 2 CON : 2 DEX
For early levels I think that is fine, you should get around 15~ points of CON and DEX following that stat allocation by the time you reach level 50.
You might notice that level 50 would equal to 10 points on each one, but the difference of points (from 10 to 15) comes from the status points you acquire through some quests and statues you find on some maps, that is why there is an excess of it.
This should give you a good amount of stats to survive your first runs of the level 50 dungeon while you get used to playing in a party environment like that.
After that, you can decide if you feel comfortable enough with your build and you can start using a heavy STR allocation like 9 STR : 1 DEX, or you can decide on adding more points into CON and DEX every now and then.
But for now I would recommend you that as a new player.
Thanks for the feedback, I will check about Armor Break and Moulinet.
Do you think that Barb is better for fencer? everyone I asked told me to change HL2+C/HL3 for Barb3 because “have more damage” but I still don’t understand why barb > hl for everyone or what skill is the deal breaker
Yeah that was a dual wielding shinobi build, have both dps and burst with some survival skills (mostly cloak and wood of shinobi).
Anyone pls, I didnt put 2 points into SPR, not so accidentaly, should I delete the character to make a new one? Or SPR will be of some use? I am lvl 32 now. Aiming for pelt>hop>cat c3>dragoon.
I think both are equally viable to be honest.
Barbarian does deal more damage at mid levels, but later on both classes deal pretty much the same amount of damage and only remain as utility to enhance your Fencer.
This is because once you reach Fencer, all those new skills will become your new source of damage, so you don’t really rely on the Highlander or Barbarian skills to deal damage anymore.
I say just pick whichever you find more interesting to play with. If you really don’t like Barbarian, then go with Highlander, it is perfectly fine.
If you really want burst, you might want to consider:
Swordsman->Peltasta or Highlander->Hoplite C2->Corsair C2->Shinobi
Since Hoplite’s Spear Lunge can increase the damage of your Shinobi skills since they are all Pierce type (it also benefits Hexen Dropper).
Peltasta is mostly for the benefits described on the guide, while Highlander is because you could also further increase your Pierce damage with Cross Guard. This would require you to quickly swap between 2H Sword and Dual Wield to take advantage of both weapon sets.
But if you are not interested on using a spear, then your Highlander path is good too.
2 points? That is nothing, don’t worry about it.
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Hey Cathexis i did think about your tips and want to know your opinion about the skills in the new Build i want try
Mainly i want know what you think about the points in Pain Barrier / Bash
and Spear Throw / Pierce
Cool, thanks for all the info 
Last (and dumb) question: Any benefit of picking Hoplite? Like Hoplite->Highlander C2-> FencerC2? To be honest, I loved the Hoplite costume (lol) or for Rodelero: Highlander C2->Rodelero->FencerC2?
i want both DPS and burst at the same time, that’s why i go for the last skill of shinobi,
I’m a highlander atm, the reason is i can use all of highlander skill (except for cross guard) while using a sword and dagger.
Hoptile is a good option as well but require weapon swapping, it takes me up to 10 seconds to swap my weapons after Alt+Z right now (lag causes this, even though i live in Florida, and my ping is around 40-60).
My stat build right now is : 4:1:2 (Str-Con-Dex), but i think imma change to 3:1:3.
My character is lv 27 rank 2, that’s why im asking you right now lol.
And i’m slowing myself down to wait for your response, before i go rank 3…
As of right now, what do you believe to be the optimal path for Shinobi in both a PvE and PvP setting (despite how PvP is at the moment)? I have a few possible options in mind but I’m interested to hear your thoughts.
Particularly, though, I’d like to know how you feel about the Hoplite C2 route and whether you feel Corsair C2 is worth more than Doppel.
Thanks in advance!
I’m sure you get a neverending stream of DEX vs STR questions, but I can’t seem to find a complete answer. Let’s say between gems and gear you can get beyond 400 crit rating without adding a single point of DEX. At this point, adding DEX seems to be redundant other than evasion, but if I am building a fencer to be damage-oriented, wouldn’t it be better to go STR:CON or something and then just get green gems and gear with crit rate on it to still almost reach the soft cap in crit chance? Seems to me like you’d be getting the best of both worlds. Am I wrong in this theory?
If You’re going Shinobi with 1H weapon then Hoplite c2 is optimal for the pierce damage increase from spear lunge, which almost doubles Kunai damage since it’s pierce (i remember seeing a video somewhere), otherwise stay with 2H sword for stronger physical attack that it gives, since u already went highlander. Shinobi is a class that, for it to work well, u need to build it right from the start otherwise u will waste your time
Everything looks good. Once you are Dragoon get level 1 of each skill and see which ones you like more, then you will be able to better decide which ones to max.
Uh, you would only do it for Stabbing.
I mean, it is a decent skill so it could work if you really want the costume. So all you would get is another high multi-hit DPS skill that luckily is Pierce damage too, so there is some synergy in there. I think for PvE is alright. Oh, and you also get Pierce (the skill) too.
On the other hand Rodelero wouldn’t do anything for PvE, while it could do something for PvP, but don’t expect much either.
So yeah, if you really want the costume, go for it.
You can use Spear+Dagger instead, while only weapon-swapping to 2H Sword for Cross Guard (you would have to do it with Sword+Dagger too).
So it really depends on what you like more. Hoplite would give you higher DPS overall for PvE, but if you are also interested in PvP then I think it is fine to follow your original path.
I don’t think there is one optimal way right now, especially for PvP. If it is for PvE, I think that overall the Hoplite route is better, but not by a huge margin.
Swordsman->Peltasta->Hoplite C2->Corsair C2->Shinobi (PvE and PvP)
Swordsman->Peltasta->Hoplite C2->Corsair -> Doppelsoeldner -> Shinobi (PvE and PvP)
Swordsman->Peltasta->Barbarian C3 or Highlander C3 -> Corsair -> Shinobi (PvE and PvP)
Swordsman->Highlander C3->Corsair->Corsair C2 or Doppelsoeldner->Shinobi (Mostly PvP, but works in PvE)
While Restrain may work with Cyclone at the moment, I wouldn’t count on it being something reliable as it could easily be patched in the future. That is why I don’t think any of the Swordsman C2/C3 builds are good ideas.
But I think all of these builds are equally viable and each one of them has their advantages and disadvantages. After all, the result of a build also lies in the skill of the player using it.
For PvE, sure you could find an “optimal” amount of Critical Rate to have and most of it could come from Green Gems and equipment, maybe including some DEX on the build too.
The problem is that you won’t really invest into those gems until you are max level, otherwise it is a massive amount of wasted money as every time you unsocket a gem it loses 1 level, so overall not worth it or it would be extremely expensive to be efficient with this build.
You could start with a different build with more DEX and once you reach max level restat to shape your build the way you want to once you have acquired the best gems / equipment for your character.
For PvP it changes though, as people can get more Critical Resistance through their equipment so there is no optimal amount to have until there is a “meta” settled in.
Doppel is stronger than corsair c2 due to cyclone and deeds - 2H swords + deeds is much stronger than dual wield + double weapon assault, 2H weapon will make shinobi skills stronger than dual wield too because of higher physical attack on 2H
High STR is better than high DEX at high levels because crit rate can easily be supplemented with green gems at high levels, STR not only boosts base attack but crit damage as well
Sorry Cathexis for hijacking, thought u went AWOL lol