Where’s your diploma? I smell a RO diploma mill somewhere!
they only gave me one for memeing
RO is one of the most p2w games i’ve ever played, with a lot of stupid mechanics and boring grind (even more than ToS). I don’t want this game to become a RO, really. The only thing that made me play RO for more than a year was the social atmosphere, nothing else.
I think i will create a topic comparing ToS to WoW, yea, i miss WoW… ToS even have elementalists and dungeons, that’s obviously from WoW
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this is a really good idea. i can do it in one sentence though: wow and tos are similar because they’re both being killed by their creators D: whyyy
I really think you need to go back and look at your comment because clearly you didn’t play RO if you say that elementalists are from WoW but it’s cool if you wanna try to be part of the RO clique haha
WoW still with a solid 2 million players online, and RO, well…
lol… I was being sarcastic.
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-) game has fps issue’s
Every played RO? fps is terrible in towns also, and that game is old as hell.
-) less base classes?
way more combinations to do things, Ro is extremely limited in classes that are actually useful in groups. Most of the classes are a waste and completely useless in high content area’s.
-) guilds need to actually be improved in this game, but RO guild system was nothign to be proud of, totally horrible. Look at any current ragnarok guild structure and you will see there is loads of scams going on because people actually need to share accounts to make use of the guild propperly. So nothing to be proud of there
-) RO has fps issue’s in towns, specially IRO. Game is old and yet still runs on super computer hardware in comparison towards the time it was made in terrible Servers also lag insanely hard pretty much always.
-) towns, the absolute weakness about ro was towns. It was a desert everywhere. The only thing you saw as AFK shops that packed the whole enviroment because there market was broken to extreme extends. Or afk buffers / teleports. Thank god this game doesn’t have that.
I do agree that we need 1 channel for towns so we have more competition, but at the other end performance doesn’t allow that.
-) In ro you can’t level from lvl 40 on level 90 monsters, there is a clear dismishing architecture in place that prevents you from doing that exactly.
This i show you level in iro:
- get level 6 to access storage in any random map ( payon )
- get your wayne ( level 10 fencer ) out of storage + exp gear
- 1 hit everything until you are lvl 100, you fly through maps ( no team or party play at all until you hit low ti )
- rebirth, and have fun doing the exact same crap all over again ( worst system ever ) ( with exp event and 3x exp scroll + exp gear you will be level 100 and rebirthed in just a few hours, 2,5 hours was my record LOL.
- once you hit low ti then moved to mid ti then move to high ti and at lvl 150 you can do that clock tower to grind your eyeballs out to 175 for months on end.
Low ti’s are good doable, but constantly running around the same map is boring as hell, lets not kid yourself. It’s not a challange at all, its terrible.
Mid ti’s, well i hope you get lucky with the weekly monsters in there, because if you are not, you will find exactly zero party’s doing it !!!. Have fun waiting hours on end to do your daily’s then.
Then we move to high ti, which is a disaster, having to wait 2-3 hours to form a group, which can just fall appart in 10 seconds. I hope you rolled the right class tho or else you won’t even get taken at all ( same goes for mid ti ).
Groups are absolutely boring and dreadful to say the least, just endlessly running circles for 30 minutes, so people can pop there x3 exp scrolls and do there daily’s, and then just bail out when there counts are done letting the group die.
Terrible.
-) question, what questing exactly in RO? LOL, it’s all grind there. The only quests you need to do is to unlock dungeons, and they are TERRIBLE.
-) less grind area’s?
What grind area’s are there exactly? mid/low/high ti? and clock tower? and maybe scarabs for a few levels. That’s it lol.
-) silver is sparse? did you ever play freaking ragnarok lol. You get nothing from grinding, you have to pick every single loot up ( mostly 3-5 items ) manually after a kill, and your weight limit if you do not move into str ( whatever upped your weight limit ) would be absolutely dreadful.
Sorry but RO is nowhere near even remotely comparable towards tree of savior when it comes to currency. RO is terrible.
-) very little gear universal? Ro was great on this indeed, you needed 7 different weapons for wizards to even compete with rangers on only 1/4th of there damage output, and those 7 weapons woudl cost you about 10’s of bilions which equals towards tree of savior money about 100’s of millions silver.
With other classes like ranger, you would get a bxb and that’s it, you go through the exact same solution with upgrades.
The worst part about the gear in RO was, that most of the time what it didn’t wasn’t even stated on the gear itself, so you had to google and believe people on what it actually did. Because most of the time you had no idea.
Helmet - does some form of damage ( lol ).
And even worse was that most of the stats on gear was locked away in higher refines, which made it terrible. Specially if there isn’t a enriched event and you had to plump in 100’s of milions zeny in order to gamble your way to actually make you use your item like it shoudl to start with.
Let’s not kid yourself, this game actually makes gear payable, unless you want to pay to win and want to spend 1000’s of euro’s into the game lol.
-) monster exp, is really good in this game from the start. I have had zero issue’s leveling my wizard forwards, a token increases exp by 30%, and is perfectly fine payable and easily to farm if you odn’t want to flesh out real life money. Unlike in ragnarok, where exp is all over the place with insane multipliers. The tomes are mostly useless i agree, but let’s not get x3 battle manual nonsense in this game no thanks.
-) market is leagues better then RO ever will be, yes its only usable when you use a token. but its far far more better. Finally the market RO always needed. No longer need a 3rd party website, have 10 clients up to sell your stuff, nope just login your alt place it on the market and log to your main.
I do agree 2 days waiting on your silver is kinda terrible, but its far better then getting scammed by horrible people with trading.
Let’s give you a example on how bad RO trading really is, as a mate of mine had this happen.
- make a shop with “want to buy item x”
- dude pms you and says price
- you agree and pay the price, he trades you the item
- week goes by and you refine it + buy more items from other people and sell it off
- week later, ban
Reason? dude that sold you his item, refined with that money didn’t work out well for him, made a ticket he got hacked and want his item back.
Gm logs into your account, removes the item ( even while you spended 100’s of millions on it ) and gives you a warning or 2 week ban, and refunds the item to the other guy.
Reason? because he can. Now trade massive amounts of items with other people to sell stuff off etc, and see what a massive mine field it is.
At one day he got banned and lost 1/2 of his value on his character which constists out of 5 billion worth of zeny, while the real value that got recalled by the owners was only maybe 100-200m. It’s absolutely terrible.
The market and zeny gain in RO is the absolute worst i have ever seen in any mmo’s or game. This is leagues above it.
-) overupgrading is insanely more expensive? really hahah.
I burned 2 billion worth of zeny on my warlock weapon to move to +10 and ended up on +6. 2billion zeny equals towards what like 200 million silver here?, but why would i want it to +10? because it actually unlocks all the features on it. That’s how terrible overupgrading is in ragnarok.
Hell you can’t even get +9 if there isn’t a enriched event going on, as you eluniums have a fail chance of insanely high which also breaks the weapon at +7-+9 or has a chance. I tested this out with guild members there, and it was practically impossible to get it to +9. Enriched ores costs hella lot of money and this is basically what makes it pay to win.
Refining is a joke in ragnarok and the costs with it
This game gives you a 50% chance, look up the chances with your elinium haha, not even close.
-) you almost neer want to sell a monster loot?
why not? go to the market, see what is worth something ( no need for 3rd party websites and crappy upbidding scam tactics ) type in your item and see the price. Then sell it on there.
Everything else what is worth something, park it in your storage and sell it off, vendor the rest. as if you want to finish your collection just buy it back? its worth nothing anyway.
In ragnarok you never want to pick up monster loot, because that would be a daily job and after 10 minutes you would be overweight for the huge amount of worthless trash you picked up which prevents you from doing anything.
-) in ragnarok you don’t powerlevel with friends, your friend is a level 10 fencer that boosts you without casting or putting any skill into any of your levels to level 100, the only reason you select skills is just to progress to your next job quest. It was just a slap in the face of why even having level 100 and lower content, specially as you had to redo it also for rebirth bonusses which is pretty much needed.
-) combat is a lot easier in tree of savior?
Ever played ro where you litterly have 1 ranger arrow storm everything to its grave in 1 hit?.
Imagine meteor level 10 that does 8x more damage, instant cast, 2 sec cooldown and covers every elemental weakness.
Thought elemental + warlock was strong? go play ranger arrow storm in ragnarok, it completey breaks the entire game.
There is no combat in ro, everything is 1 hitting.
Then about bosses and ET, people are so overpowered that they just one shot bosses or do the hardest dungeons completely solo. There is no teamplay in pve.
-) stats are just a one way solution with RO, nothing different from this game. Same concept.
-) 12 men party’s? pretty sure it was half that, tree of savior took the world of warcaft aproach. no issue with this, way better then the 1 dude solo’s everything concept ragnarok has.
-) no new player would participate in any of those pvp elements in ragnarok, it’s absolutely horrible and the sole reason for this is, the gear they implanted in that game and card setup.
For example, you have people that are completely imuum for magic damage how fair is that? you want that also? sure no problem go buy this item that is worth 4 billion silver ( yea not kidding, lets translate it towards tree of silver) but that’s not all, they have even more of that type of gear on. And then you join with your 200 euro spended character that has 20m worth of silver ( translated toward stree of savior currency ). they will instantly whipe you from the planet earth.
It’s absolutely terrible, its actualy dying because of it ( read the forums, or ask any player. its a dead concept )
Sure i agree tree of savior can upgrade its pvp solution, but even this limited system is already outdoing what RO currently has. Probably not if you are a old player that has decks of gear to his disposal, for any new player it’s impossible to compete, mvp cards are insanely overpowered to the point of being cheats.
-) there is no hard leveling area in ro, liolabs is only useful for a few classes because they are good in that area, if you want to join with 90% of the other classes you will have to pay real money to even get in there 60m = 5 bucks for flywing, because good luck farming 60m haha. yea good luck wtih that. Most people will grind solo scarabs / high ti, nothing else. RO is a single player game most of all.
-) aggro, yea thank god, we need a tank for something right. Was way more fun in ragnarok with those bomb throwing cart runners that 1 shot everything, or those groups full of rangers + priests because why need a tank if you 1 hit anything already. Stop kidding yourself lol
ET is mostly a solo place, any group that does it gets bored after 30 floors of the same stuff over and over again as you have to wait on eachother. Most boring concept ever created. I hate that they created it in this game also.
-) you don’t have to get those attributes ( the 1% increase ones ) the other ones dont’cost a lot of silver. It’s just there to fine tune your damage. not remotely needed at all, i dunno why you got so much issue’s with that. Seems like a good idea. So you can still tweak your char even if it’s already having maximum gear.
-) world bosses, funny you mention those.
Ever saw ragnarok? where people nuke the world boss in 5 seconds down? solo? and get absolutely nothing for years on end in the hope for a mvp card? did you even play ragnarok?. Good luck doing any of those bosses with your friends, a max level gx will 1 shot it so you won’t get anything, every single reset of every single day.
-) enough drama on this forum
- ) true biolabs was kinda hard with no bad geared warlock because i didnt’spended more then 100 euro’s at that time on my character, it was so hard that after a year i still couldn’t find a group. oh wait …
I played ragnarok for a long time, but lets not kid ourselfs this game is better on every area.
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Sees “go back to RO.”, but is already there too.
And don’t give me that bullshit that this game was never hinted to be something similar to RO. “Project R1” and a lot of the marketing previous to the games release will tell you otherwise. There was lots of hinting - youtube game reviews, gamer websites, etc. Using the title R1 alone was a good move since this is Hakkyu’s baby.
ToS is its own game, but is good for a little Ragnarok nostalgia. Nothing else really. It has a couple of nuances, such as the art style, music, and odds & ends like red/blue orbs. Am I let down? Maybe a little, but it has more to do with the game needing to fix and implement its own system and content rather than it not being RO. That’s why I still play RO. And if you dislike Renewal, play a pre-renewal pserver, though I really like renewal personally.
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As if RO isn’t being killed after renewal too.
Guess they’re similar after all! Not that I’m hating on Renewal or anything but even tweaking the older systems to not make them obsolete (enchantments and older cards) is a bad sign as it is.
It seems you are talking about Renewal, which is pretty much an isometric 2.5D/3D WoW version of Ragnarok Online for people who just wanted to go with the flow and pretty much play something “standard” rather than something “outdated” and “difficult.”
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You keep saying it’s dead but you’re still here in the forums for it so it must not be all that dead.
I believe you’re letting nostalgia cloud your judgement. The version of RO you’re describing didn’t happen until much much later. I was there for OBT and it was an extremely laggy, buggy mess with severely limited content, classes, skills, gear, you name it. Fast forward 2 years then it started to resemble what you described.
ToS has been out for mere months and you can classify most of those months as OBT but it still provided a far better experience than RO did at the start. You were comparing apples to oranges. Whether ToS currently provides a better experience than a fully up to date RO is purely objective. I also spent a lot of time in classic RO and tons in Renewal and I had a blast but let’s not kid ourselves and say that RO was the epitome of MMO game design. ToS is far from perfect too but it’s still early days so plenty of time for them to flesh it out.
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i like this comment because it proves time exists in a vacuum where history is irrelevant.
Hmm… Is iRO alive still? Could give me something to do while I wait for content patches.
all the good players stopped playing classic years ago (hence why valhalla is a top guild there) and renewal is worse than wow. renewal removed everything great from ro and added everything bad