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Everyone, May i remind you what F2P really means

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You sound really angry. You should see your doctor about those anger issues.

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So I take it you don’t have friends to share items with? You play alone?

#Kirito

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People using ^^ or similar emoticons tend to have anger issues huh, whenever they use it is when they should super pissed but not expressing it

i dont give a fk either

But you made this post, so clearly you do? maybe just a tiny bit.

Wow, white knight much? A lot of these things are bad game design choices, not complaints from botters or “whiners” as you put them. Many complaints are quite legitimate and very valid. For example, team trading being only one slot it a bit stupid if you can just shift between characters to avoid cost. The money cost is in silver, an annoyance to legit players, the only people inhibited by it are legit players, where as golrd sellers get free reign. Plus it incurs char serv lag for no reason.

The market is set up in a manner that allows gold sellers to control the market as well. Because of the way minimum pricing works combined with the item sell limit, legit players are not able to compete with gold sellers, as they are able to control pricing on various mats and the supply as well. Legit player’s only viable way to sell these mats is for a low price, which the gold sellers instantly buy and resell for a higher price. Because gold sellers can buy their own items to manipulate minimum pricing for an item it’s even worse since they’re the only ones (with hundereds of accounts) that can post a limitless number of items. The result? Gold sellers control pricing of materials at a level that legit players can’t compete at.

Look at the materials for non-high level players. Look at their price. If you don’t out level the gold seller curve, crafting new gear is impossible. The range gold sellers have control will only grow and the current market pricing system will encourage that and enable that.

Legitimate criticism of the game and actual points about it’s issues will only improve the game and compel the devs to actually improve things. Assholes like you are counterproductive, you want to white knight in hopes of ingratiating yourselves to staff when they don’t care about you. You are ruining this game by making threads like this. I hope you realize this when people like you cause the servers to shut down.

Oh and for the record, I’m not talking about free to play issues. A lot of them are the a problem on a basis level. That said, here’s a thing, I don’t mind paying. Let ME, the guy giving money, price items at what I want and sell items at what I want. Let NOT F2P players play the game like non-free to play players, without gross restrictions. LVL cap restrictions are fine, bind my trading amt whatever to my lvl, that’s fine, but ffs let us PAYING players play the god damn game.

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I agree changes should be made on 1:1 item trading between two players either give limit to f2p players and increase limit of premium users or free for all. I can see dropping items as another way to enable sharing of items between known friends.

I don’t agree with 1:1 silver trading as this provides another method for RMT for silver.

Auction house restrictions are fine for me (48 hr) as they already stated its not permanent and in time suspicious transaction detection will improve.

In addition, trades are temporarily held for 48 hours upon completion. This gives our staff time to detect and cancel any suspicious transactions before buyers and sellers get their goods. In the future, we hope to reduce this time frame by developing a system that can automatically detect and block such suspicious trades. We are continuously working on this function.

Finally team storage is getting modified, hopefully sharing silver between lodge characters will be allowed.

What would the people engaged in botting for RMT acquire by “controlling” the market, I say they’re giving silver they bot farm to legit grinders. Also I think prices in auction house is too high now since not many people are focusing on grinding or specific objectives, rather we want to max our characters level first, get our build straight, farm for permanent items at max level.

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Yes so the gold seller uses a bot to buy all the important stuff. Then before hes done with that his monthly trade limit is done and he can sell them next month.

He cant even transfer them to another char to sell due to the restriction unless they make like 100s of accounts where each character can only buy out and sell a few items.

How many f2p games with free market have not had a gamebreaking inflation in prices due to bots? I dont think theres any. We need new measures as the old one isnt working.

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your rhetoric tilts the ■■■■ outa me

Its setup in such a way to limit both this and the effect of player market controlling.

And see that they are less expensive then higher level mats? Last I checked materials for a lvl 15 or 40 item did not cost 20k each.
Some level 75 materials sell quite high, but the reason for that is stupidely obvious: the demand is far greater then the supply.

What is a gold seller curve? Gold sellers tend to sell their botted ware on the market, which actually lowers the prices of many items. (because more supply)

But not actual good points.

1 slot is too limited. Trading should be possible either way.

Silver to alts? More account storage space? Atleast we have one. In RO you needed either 2 accounts or to make someone your bitch so they would trade your items on demand.

Instant silver from auctions? I have no problem with waiting 2 days. Its not like im the one only one, everyone has to. And it does deal some wonders with limiting the buy/reselling being done, especially combined with the limited slots.

Buy a token then and tell me more about Team Storage :slight_smile:

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I’ll just leave it here

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You can clearly see that there are people like ‘‘PrinceMark’’ who are ignorant or rather dumb.

With one thing he is right tho (Which actually is the only thing), this game is free to play.
All other things are just dumb.
You might as well be one working with IMC, because this is exactly why we have crap going like ‘‘Trade only for token users’’ (Trading for token users > Pay to Play users > are limited too. 30 times a month just saying).

People who want to try out this game when it gets free to play, will be quite disappointed. And this is one of the big points why we people - with a proper working brain - try to convince IMC to change their Free to Play model a little.

Because if this game - which we all love - (I assume including WannabePrinceMark) should be long living, then the way it currently is, is definitely causing the player base to drop a lot.

And trading has absolutely nothing to do with any botters, hackers, quitters or whiners.
Trading has more to do with interaction, socializing and giving the game another aspect of joy.
Trading with your friends (You might join the game with friends btw. Some do have friends, @PrinceMark from the way you talk, you lack that).
But also trading with some stranger.
And if a free to play user realizes he cannot share the stuff with his buddies, he already starts of frustrated.
You may think this is not a big deal, but every little piece adds to the pot.

Botters can be dealt with in other ways. No need for such no brain measurements.

So please before stating such nonsense, you should work on your common sense, kid.

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