did the math with my friend. First off, that thing would generally have a 0.0001% chance of existing at that level, but the price of getting it there would range into 60 mil. Legit? I’d say not. If it is, I feel really sorry.
That +41 “thing”? If we assume that chance (51.2%) doesnt decrease after +10 anymore then total chance of upgrading from +10 to +41 is 0.512^31*100%=
a little bit less than 0.00000001%. Legit? i’m sure it is not but that doesnt matter. Screenshot just proves that +41 item can exist in the game UNLESS it was chat link manipulation and there is hard cap.
But there ate such things as golden anvils that significantly(limitlessly) increase the chance of obtaining higher numbers.
I’ll go with chat link manipulation, that’s around the period where people were doing all the crazy chat stuffs anyway.
And I had similar experience in early days of WoW.
If you’re only accounting for getting there from 0 to 41 without messing up once, yeah it’s that low. There are over 10 chances to mess up though, so it’s as much as 0.0001%. The point of me saying this is that it would be really sad if that was legit, since that thing was close to a miracle.
When was the screen shot taken?
Screenshot? Not sure what do you mean, but GA allows you to upgrade item with 0 potential, and it won’t lose potential in case of failure.
Golden anvil still reduce ur enhancement lvl on failure.
He meant that the screenshot was from icbt2, meaning no golden anvil at that time.
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Oh, not sure about CBT, there were hunderds of cheaters back then, so everything is possible. It could be some testing services as well.
Sure, but they still grant limitlessly high chance to obtain 40+ gear. If you can get enough of them.
Since success chance is more then 50%, with enough GA chance to reach +40 is close to 100%.
The real barrier to upgrading isn’t the success rates it’s the costs, even whit GA you’ll fail on upgrades worth millions and have to retry and you can fail again.
Making a +40 lolophanther weapon would probably cost close to a billion gold even if you had unlimited GA.
Yeah, it’s true. That’s why I don’t think enhance system needs any changes, at least ATM.
i loved the 1/200000 drop rates in phantasy star online - anybody? o.o this topic gets boring xD
It’s actually pretty good on how it removes gold constantly from circulation which helps slow down the rate at which gold loses it’s value.
A main problem of a lot of MMOs is that often the high level gold sinks are stuff you’ll buy from other players and the gold just moves hands causing a massive stock pile of money in the end game and then gold loses value making everything cost more.
But there are -10% taxes for token users and -30% taxes for f2p players. So it wouldn’t stockpile that fast.
Also you need money for attributes and enhants, as you said. That’s why I hope we won’t have such problems in future.
And f2pers will probably buy tokens with silver as well.
I think a big reason to keep in high refine levels on items is that in it’s current form, players are taking weaker items with unique or desirable effects and refining them to be strong enough to compete with higher level gears, though not without heavy expense. This is an interesting dynamic I think, and worth keeping.
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But potential loss is not exactly “chance to mess up” since it decreases upgrade level by 1 as well so you will have to cover up that fail with additional success. For 10 fails you will have to get 10 additional successes on top of required 31(if you count from +10 and upwards). So overall chance is about the same.
We already accounted for that. It’s just 40 trials with 30 successes for the maximum number you can try without losing the weapon. It makes a big difference. 0.0000001% is not 0.0001%.
Here is a table which shows roughly the chance to upgrade depending on potential:
Having more potential greatly increases the chance you will reach your target, it will just cost more.
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http://pastebin.com/zphEG6Ya
Golden Anvil item tool-tip will be changed:
This item can only be used on Equipment with 0 Potential, Even if the refine fails the equipment will not be destroyed. Enhancement levels are decreased by 1 for each failed refine, Failed attempts over +12 cause the equipment to reduce to +10.
I knew there was something tricky in golden anvils but I didn’t remember what… (This part is not new as I know.)
So imo the chances are so low with this that there is no way you will upgrade something to +40 with a golden anvil XD…Basically Golden anvil is only good to reach +15 maybe…
…or will you try to upgrade something with it to +40 and fail on +39? XDDDD
I’m not sure the translation is correct, I think it’s rather 15->13 then 15->10.
At least it was 15->14 before.
Or I’m wrong probably.
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