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DEX or STR for Monk

Class and Rank Cleric
#21

Take note, you are using outdated information in your calculation. Please read up on correct information before posting big numbers and figures that may confuse new players.

EDIT: Apologies, I was getting confused with that post you linked and did not read your latest replies.

#22

I’m a newbie myself with a Cleric lvl 50+ and I’m trying to figure out best possible build for my future Monk.

I think I came to a conclusion.
As someone else here said, this is a bit of a belief question. Because there are several things to consider when planing your build. Some of which are hard to say/decide for a newbie. There is no one, true, real answer to this question, even if you calculate optimal DMG on paper. Because building your stats for optimal DMG might make you weak in the beginning and leveling becomes a real pain in the pooper.
Also, is this your very first character? Do you have money to buy good gear for lvling, or do you have to start from 0?
And dont forget that you can make stat adjustments with gear, so not every single stat point is really that important.

Let’s see what we need to consider first:

  • Base DMG
  • Bonus stats from gear
  • Bonus DMG, crit attack, crit rate from gear
  • enemy stats (PvE or PvP, doesn’t matter) like dodge, defense and crit resist

There’s a few things I found out while trying to figure out my build.

  • The higher your base DMG (physical attack as well as skill DMG), the better your optimal DPS with more DEX because of higher crit chance. This is very important to note because Monks use skills a lot
  • More crit attack from gear = better DPS from DEX
  • More crit rate from gear = better DPS from STR
  • The lower an enemies crit resist, the easier it is to crit, meaning you need less DEX (because your crit chance is already very high against that enemy) and you achieve better DPS with higher STR, meaning less crit resist = more STR. More crit resist = more DEX.
  • you need 667 crit rate + enemies crit resist to achieve 100% crit chance at lvl 280, which is, like, a lot. So forget about very high crit chances.
  • You can either focus on STR and get crit rate through equipment, or focus on DEX and get crit attack from gear. Note though that many weapons in this game provide a lot of crit attack, I didn’t see many weapons with crit rate.
  • Before you are Monk, STR gives you a better DMG boost. That’s because we dont have skills with high base DMG in the beginning. As soon as you become Monk and get Double Punch lvl 5, DEX starts to overtake STR in regards of optimal DPS.

I took a look at this guide


and entered the values from the build and gear into my updated spreadsheet that I linked in the previous post. It checks out, with that gear optimal dmg comes very much from DEX. a ratio of 0.5:1 STR:DEX, where you need like 50-60 STR total which is easily obtained from gear and rank alone, so you’d go full DEX.
I compared some of the values and a 1:1 STR:DEX build comes pretty close to the optimal DMG the spreadsheet calculated. And remember, you can always use gems to adjust your build on the fly.

What I’m going to do with my Cleric is probably a 1:2 STR:DEX build.

#23

As i said in my first post there is not much difference in dps so if you want to do a 1:2 str dex it will be ok(like just lose 5% dps) but i doubt that optimal dmg comes from higher dex builds.

If you are going to mess with spreedsheet just remember to calculate the damage from the average skill , in monk case is the DP and not the EB.
Also ilizia or other crazy gear are not implemented (phadas, pensara etc) or are extremely rare(Iron Fist, lolopanthers) , also take note that if a gear is very expensive to get/enchant you probably be better sinking silver in attributes.
Also there are some mechanics that are good to keep in mind and hard to calculate like bleeds dont crit and suncus maul increase the duration of EB, Hand Knife removes all armor if debuff etc

#24

Using skills a lot does not factor into whether dex is better or not. Its using skills with very high base attack and I mean 3500+ base attack PER HIT. Something a Monk will never have.

Crit attack from gear will indeed improve DEX buils dps but it’ll never reach the same damage as a str build.

Investment in DEX will always reduce optimal dps because it will require more DEX just for it to be better, but the more DEX there is, the worse it gets… :confused:

I would actually use this spreadsheet to do comparisions https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nL5lDD2gm0ALfE9LIyFDpvpxp22m_7hXgmyWnC7PdYw/edit#gid=1601998207

Although while I do agree that the end result is a measly 10~20% damage difference from a full str and a full dex build, the main reason for getting dex as a Monk will be for evasion. On the other hand, there are a lot of magic mobs later. Str is a lot more future proof than dex as well. :confused:

#25

Monk literally only has 2 options regarding stats: go Dex or go Str, if you split Dex/Str the crit chance won’t be high enough for it to be effective.

Going Str route is a safe way but I like the Dex route since it will give you Evasion AND Accuracy. Besides, looking those yellow lines jumps always give me a satisfied feeling (compare to the white boring lines) :slight_smile:

#26

what’s your lvl?

Others here said a split build will always be better than pure STR or pure DEX.

a 1:1, 1.5:1 or 2:1 STR:DEX build is probably best.

#27

But Phadas is implemented.
edit: the required Gem Bracelet is not in the game though, so Phadas can not be crafted at the moment.

Illizia is not, and I wouldn’t use it even if it was, because 2 durability won’t get you far.

I agree though, that build I linked is theorycrafting much and STR is better.