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[Class] I Foresee an Oracle Thread

Class and Rank Cleric
#203

Deathsentence is meeeeh, atm. They reduced the cooldown a lot in the ktos version so hopefully we get the same.

I put one point into Death Sentence, because i had points left over and it is kind of a niche skill for pvp. As long as the other group does not have status effect prevention the attribute does an amazing job against all fast classes.
60% movementspeed reduction are sure death for Catas and SR, but you have to count in the risk that u have to stand very close to actually use Death Sentence.

#204

I have a SPR Priest 3 / Oracle, and the Stone Skin + Counter Spell “combo” is really nice. Makes you immortal for 30 seconds and another ~20 seconds from safety zone afterwards.

But that doesn’t require Oracle 3, and tbh, Oracle 3 feels just as underwhelming as Oracle 2…

Also, any Oracle 3 builds will struggle to level solo. Oracles don’t have any dps skills. Killing 300k hp mobs when you’re level 300+ with just blessing and cafrisun, dealing like 2k or 3k per hit, doesn’t sound any fun at all.

Krivis 3 or Melstis won’t help you with any Oracle skills. I don’t really see any reasons to make a Krivis 3 + Oracle 3 class path. I think something like Oracle 1 + Taoist would be a lot better than Oracle 3, but that’s up to you.

Just a few things there:

  • Why Change at lvl 5? Higher skill levels literally make the skill worse. You want to keep it only lv 1 so that you only spawn mobs very close to the targeted mob’s level.

  • If I really wanted Oracle 3, I would max Prophecy. In pvp the hit counts limit can go out really fast, so a high level Prophecy is needed. If you don’t intend to pvp, you can keep it lower level, though.

#205

You have ONLY one priest?

Even if I got to play more on my diev I can’t have enough of my priest 3 builds (WITHOUT CHAPLAIN OFC).

death to chaplain, death to diev, long life to all pure supports out of there! <3

Back in topic:

Btw if you want try to min/max (for what is worth xD) an oracle 3 I do think priest is the best pick but, to be honest, diev 3 // krivis 3 can work the same. Oracle doesn’t have too much pve sinergy with clerics circle so, let’s be honest, you are kinda free to pick which useless mostruosity u do prefear to create xD

On change: the skill capped will be +15-15 (without gems //divine might), right? I wonder if there is gonna be some high level monster for druid to be evoked only with an high lvl change or some other weird mechanics.

on prophecy: since I will focus on PvE, I would not suggest for PvE builds to go over 3/15, it’s the sweet spot with divine might full CD rotation. For PvP going deep, prob lowering arcane energy instead, will be better for sure.

on exp: if you go spirit/con cafrisun and off hand with 15 aspersion and blessing will be do enough dmg to kill mobs in less then 30 hits (I hope :p) that’s enough for me to finish the quests alone and then grind in party, will not be too different from the actually 280 cap, not easy, not funny, but doable.

Btw I think you underlook oracle 3 abilities, I do think that both the new abilities are nice enough to be looked at, druid 3 was a biggest disappointment, imo at least :slight_smile:

#206

Well Oracles are support in nature. But the thing is, Oracle 3 is simply underwhelming when compared to anything else.

Fortell is worse than Sterea Trofh in every aspect. Sterea makes you 100% immortal, Fortell only 65%. Sterea doesn’t move around. Sterea has less cooldown. Both last 15 seconds at max level.

Death Sentence and Twist of Fate would be nice if they weren’t so impractical.

Oracle 1 gives you everything you need. Counter Spell doesn’t even need more than 5 skill levels.

I’m just utterly disappointed with IMC’s decisions for Oracle 3.

Doesn’t make much sense because you could as well just go maps a bit higher level and Change lv 1 stuff for the same effect. Change higher levels also has the same probability of invoking lower level mobs or higher level mobs.

I don’t see how Aspersion helps you there since you have no Chaplain. And past lv 280 I believe it will be even worse. 30 hits is being really optimistic. I think you’ll eventually reach the point where you won’t be able to do a quest solo cause you won’t have enough dps.

I hope IMC proves me wrong. But so far I’ve only seen disappointed people with Oracle c3 in kToS server.

#208

I think many are underestimating the potentials of an Oracle and are mostly focusing on a one build does it all.

Prophecy (depending on how good the attribute is) can force magic users to be wary of their use of magic as they will take damage for any Oracle that goes C3.

Death Sentence can deliver a knockout blow to any class (excluding Oracles and PDs) based on timing when maxed out (also the threat of continuous Death Sentence will be more apparent the longer a battle drags)

Foretell while not many of us know acts more as a moving circle of nullification by chance (not sure if counter spell can get rid of this), which can easily affect the decisions of your opponent’s placement of cc skills

Twist of Fate (depending on how you use it) can simply put someone on death row instantly. The design of it is to use the skill when an opponent is under heavy fire to ensure death.

The tough part with Oracle in general is that there are too many ways you can actually utilize it at C3 that it becomes cumbersome. I’m not expecting much myself as I already have my Oracle ready, but I do plan to go through all the skills to test how effective it can be.

#209

I’m c2p3 going oracle 3 too. Just hoping that fortune teller will be rank 9 hidden class for oracle 3. I love the concept haha.

#210

im c2>k3>x>pd>taoist and i was thinking of getting oracle as my r6(or miko if its already implemented, miko costume FTW).
is it ok?

i noticed arcane energy has a debuff attribute, does it counts as a debuff for my pd’s incinerate? and also do i need to max counter spell for pve?

#211

Yes, It’s written in the main post.

No. Lv 5 is fine.

#213

Right now i have to characters that im debating on going oracle 3 with

Originally my c2>p3 was going to go oracle>pd for pvp maybe miko as well?
and my c2>diev3 i was thinking of going oracle 3…

do you guys think I should change them around or not? trying to get some opinions here. At the moment c2>p3 just seems like no brainer healer want something a bit different… with diev I am enjoying everything about it. it is not exactly a no brainer class I find it fun, and to me oracle 3 would possibly be fun as well.

I don’t want them both Oracle>pd2 or oracle>miko>pd or oracle 3, trying to make them different from one another.

#214

The problem I find with C2>P3 is that you’re purely defensive, and are quite limited in utilizing the skills in C3. If you’re going C3 Oracle, you might want to try higher levels of prophecy if you want to be more focused on PvP/GvG to ensure that you can reflect a portion of damage back to your enemy.

C2>Diev3 on the other hand, while you do lack constant dps, this is made up with superior positioning and can make your skills (especially death sentence) really potent.

Are all the skills in C3 Oracle worth it? I can only see Foretell being a problem as you cannot control its movement. It’s taking a chance on circle that has a movement of its own. I find that the auxiliaries of DS and Prophecy are what may make it more appealing to go C3. Other than that Oracle is either C1 or C3 given what is presented.

#215

Hi all, I am a full support C2 Diev3 Oracle Kabbal. For Oracle’s skill, I maxed Prophecy and Counter Spell, while leaving 1 point for remaining skills. However, I realised that since my build lacks of dps, I don’t use Clairvoyance, Change and Resetting, which I assume people use it for farming drops. My questions are:

  1. How worthy Clairvoyance, Change and Resetting in Oracle build? Do you guys use it often? I would like to understand how useful it is for full support build
  2. Do you think it’s worthy to max Arcane Energy? I am thinking to allocate the points on Clair/Change/Reset to Arcane since I am planning to use skill reset
  3. What attributes do you guys invest in Oracle and what’s the minimum attribute levels that you recommend?

Thank you.

#216

So you’re straying off from full support to support with DPS capability then.

  1. Not really. Use them when you know that the mobs are so little on that map or you’re after specific item. Otherwise just kill the mobs. Change is just… well for fun(and lucky if you have jackpot mobs)
  2. No. If you’re with Swordies, they will ask this. Otherwise not that useful
  3. If you have forecast, get 5% chance to nullify it.You can consider levelling jackpot attributes but beware that it’s very expensive. Just get counter spell to nullify enemies magic circle only(although it’s buggy atm)

Edit:

It’s not working yet on my server so IDK about iToS. But you’ll eventually need this

#217

Yeah, some swordie told me that they they love Arcane Energy. Thank you for your insight. I will consider to get forecast and counter spell attribute ^^

#218

Besides that, i read that there’s a skill that make use of STA stat … particularly Agility from Enchanters.

#219

I knew nothing about Enchanters. Thanks for the info ^^

#220

Any Oracle C3 here? I heard that twist of fate should be able to cast on quest/mission bosses, but currently there is no effect. Is it a bug? How about Ktos? Thanks in advance.

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#221

Can we please get some fixes? In addition to that ^ forecast has never worked properly. It commonly shows ally attacks as well as enemies which makes everything confusing. Arcane energy is a one time hit but the debuff stays on mobs forever, which I’m pretty sure is unintended? Clairvoyance, resetting, and change all require the player to be reallyyyy up in the face of the monster and if it moves even a bit you’ll miss… But if nothing else at least raise the drop rate on crystal fragments of change! I’ve grinded for hours and have yet to get one drop, and we need EIGHT for just one change?! Please please devs, oracle is getting no love from you guys.

#222

As someone in some other thread already pointed out as a point of interest:

Does Hexing/Curse debuff prevent the regeneration of HP after using Twist of Fate?

After redeciding, I want my char to go C2B3O3 (Cleric>Bokor>Oracle), so it would be interesting to know this.

In my opinion, Oracle 3 is really nice, it provides quite some twist in normal Cleric gameplay, especially the new Death Sentence Attribute that reduces its CD time by 3/4 to 150 secs without any other buffs. That justifies the 10 points you might invest into it , combined with Divine Might (and maybe a monster gem if there’s any for Death Sentence) the time until death is reduced significantly to 20/16(/possibly even 12) seconds, which is enough time where your Fade/Safety Zone can protect you.

Although the new raw skills might not look very good at the moment, they might prove more useful later on if they will recieve attributes with rank 9/10 updates or maybe even earlier.

Arcane Energy is a little sad,though, because it currently provides no real benefit aside from the Stamina boost stemming from the mechanic that SP recovery and potion recovery isn’t influenced by the maximum amount of SP. Might change in the future,though (new items and/or maybe a useful attribute for Arcane Energy).

#223

Twist of Fate only has 2 practical uses.

  1. Instant kill should a player fall below a certain HP
  2. Burst down a player dead when they’re CC’ed

Foretell is a gamble, but one that can really decide a life or death situation (both ways). It’s a shame though that heavy cc skills like ice wall and raise make it nearly useless

Death sentence while great, it’s only meant to be lv 1 or 10. Rarely in between as it’s better to have your opponent slowed for eternity, or meet a quick end. Lv 10 can catch clerics without PD or Oracle in their build off guard should their use of cure be used up.

#224

Where can I find crystal fragment of change?