Seems like it…
Nothing to do right now but wait.
I wonder if we all going to recall this day as “October 2nd: The day ToS died”
The main problem i had has to be the 0 silver in all characters.
Everyone of my chars had 200-300k on them + 3kk on the main and everything got wiped.
They deleted all my silver and that’s fine. But i sold 5 itens and got only 3 back.
This means that non-hackers accs bought the other 2 itens but the silver got deleted anyways.
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And btw i forgot something.
People that used the hacked silver to buy new thing from the market kept them.
I know some people who bought 3k+ bless shards and none got wiped.
“Says the guy calling…” This is called Tu quoquem and it´s another form of Ad hominem fallacy.
“Let´s start giving each…” (all of) This is called Ad absurdum (or Reductio ad Absurdum) and its another fallacy.
I may be a kid, but I don´t support a fuqked up logic like yours.
Get the picture right, kid: IMC (ToS) got fuqked up by players not by IMC. If ToS does not have a proper response team or an state of art security, it does not makes IMC (ToS) responsable for the attack it was victim… that´s the fuqked up logic, that´s your immature, broken, fuqked up logic (and this is not an ad hominem for I don´t disregard or invalidate your opinion by attacking your person, but I attack the “fuqked up” logic you state in your opinion).
well… maybe is time to end this beta and bring us the full, finished and nice developed game. lets start from zero and thos who spend money on TP must be rewarded. i just hope to IMC keeps their bouchers to give us money back
#endthisbetapls
I had no time to check (server crashed almost as soon as I got in) my silver… I sold 40 shards about 3 days ago or 2, for 200 each (20k more of regular price). I hope I don´t lose my silver or at least get my shards back.
They are not at fault for being attacked. They are at fault for disregarding one of the most common behavior and, because of that, not implementing any counter-measure or prevention that would diminish the impact the exploit caused. They are responsible for the information they store in their data-center, and they are also responsible to keep the system working as intended.
You really should waste less time searching for unfit fallacies and try harder to make your point less delusional. I’m not even going about how your first post is also a “Tu quoquem” and your argument is pure “black-and-white”, because it’s just sophistic bs to dodge the actual point.
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No, you´re not going to “try” and prove that my first post is a “tu quoquem” for the simple reason that it´s not.
No the fallacies I´m calling on you are not “unfit”.
No I´m not “dodging the actual point” you are, by attacking me (first reply) instead of focusing on the fact that you are blaming IMC for what has happened
(a) “That’s a problem they brought for themselves.” (SIC)
“They are at fault for disregarding one of the most common behavior and, because of that, not implementing any counter-measure or prevention that would diminish the impact the exploit caused.” (sic) This is called False syllogism and enter in direct conflict with your opening statement : “They are not at fault for being attacked” (sic) Which in case comes into conflict with your initial statement (a).
“They are responsible…” All of this is correct, sadly it has nothing to do with what has happened for, again, stablishing a relationship with an “Attack” (hack) results in a false syllogism: IMC-ToS…IS… responsible for their data and for keeping their system functional as well as take measures when one or other or both fails… which is exactly what they are doing right now, but this is complete different as to blame them for having bring them this upon themselves… If you, by this point, still don´t see the difference then you´ll never will, your logic does not work. For you are blaming the victim of what has happened to him.
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No, it actually doesn’t conflict with my opening statement. They are not at fault for being attacked, they are at fault for disregarding that possibility - two entirely different things that adds up to the huge final issue. If they are responsible for that data, they need to improve their security where it is needed, that’s why it’s an uphill battle for most companies, yet, this one fails at the most basic levels and we are faced with issues that other companies manage to prevent since the 90’s. All of the sudden, to you, giving passwords is absurd and yet not preventing applications from injecting and latching into your launcher isn’t, that’s pretty much lacking any knowledge on the actual matter and falling back to fallacies over and over again.
And you will come full on with the “black-and-white” once again, saying that they are the victim and denying any responsibility they have to properly security user information and in-game data, which isn’t the case, at least not in the real world. It would be great if you could disregard any form of security and be free of blame if you get attacked, even more when you are charging for that service.
Falling to related the password case to this one is pretty much due to lack of common knowledge on the matter. If you give your password, you are responsible for that, you shouldn’t lose your items because of it, but you are taking the risk and you know that. Not using any from of security to prevent .exe injections on your client is pretty much the same, you shouldn’t get exploited every week, but you know you can and yet you do nothing to fix the issue until it hits.
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We are making progress yet…
(a) “They are not at fault for being attacked, they are at fault for disregarding that possibility” (sic)
–This will remain a false syllogism unless you can prove that they “disregarded the possibility of being attacked” to which case a huge problem jumps in: you must have evidence that IMC was negligent in matter of their security as well as have evidence of how the hacking tool not only violated but outmaneuver IMC´s security with easy because of “disregarded” or negligent improvement of security system.
The many issues this game has, come little to nothing in relation with a hacking attack. Get this straight. This is where your syllogism fails. Your opening statement blames IMC for not having the tools to prevent or re-construct the damage taken… that´s when the line of logic brakes, that´s when you blame IMC for the attack, for having being attacked and it does comes in conflict with your asseveration “They are not in fault for being attacked”.
In one thing you are right… There are 2 issues here:
1.- The attack (hack)
2.- IMC response to the attack
And your fuqked up logic is constructed on making a relationship on both issues by blaming IMC lack of accurate or good response to the attack.
(b) “All of a sudden, to you, giving passwords is absurd and yet not preventing applications from injecting an latching into your launcher isn´t”-- Yes!! It is absurd!! for IMC does not gives the (security) passwords for applications to inject and latch into the launcher!! That´s the point of a “Hack” attack… to vulnerate those “passwords” (security measures) without owner (IMC) permission!! And it´s not just absurd to me… it´s absurd because that broken way of logic, and false argumente (fallacy) IS an “Ad absurdum”.
© “If you give your password, you are responsible (…) Not using any form of security to prevent .exe injections on your client is pretty much the same”-- No it´s not the same, and most certain is not “pretty much” the same, and it will never be… that´s very bad analogy and false syllogism. If you have proof, info… a screenshot anything that proves that IMC neglected its security by “not using any form of security”, please share it with all of us so we can take legal counter-measures if needed. Otherwise, you are only throwing random accusations.
I’m in the “not” category here… Lost my Nepagristas Necklace, and the money that it was sold for…
@STAFF_Yuri
I put in a ticket, I hope I get my item back…
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Three major game breaking exploits in 1.2 years and you can still just inject anything into the game. It’s hard to prove a point to someone who will not get it regardless, because feels like they don’t know how any other game or company deals with those issues. When I said they are pretty much the same, in a sense that they are basic security methods: You only mentioned how you obtained them (if it had consent or not), I can easily help you with that. If your password weren’t encrypted, people could easily obtain it without your consent, since it used to be common, it’s pretty much standard to encrypt sensitive data like that and yet they won’t do the same standard protocol and use an anti-cheat tool (in-house/or not) to prevent ■■■■ from hooking into the launcher, they know people can get through and tamper ■■■■ without their permission at all times and they still won’t fix the main issue, they wait until ■■■■ as broken, fix whatever is tampered with, but the backdoor is still open for anyone.
I’m not going to inject anything on my launcher and screenshot it for you, you can just search ‘Hulk69’ for that. There are countless video evidence on the reporting section of the forums, speed hack, infinite hp, people using boss skills and each one of those instances are in-game injections, mostly by Hulk69. Sorien, the guy behind this issue as well, said that they have no way to know if you injected or not, only if if you get manually detected (which was what happened in this case), and that stands true, since the only ban waves we see are manual for in-game behavior, you can just inject, do nothing logout and you won’t be banned. This is one of the only main-stream games that actually allow s— to get injected because it has no way of knowing it, on most you get banned instantly if you’re not using constantly updating your s— to bypass security.
Again, they put almost no effort to prevent those issues and securing that data is their responsibility, they just take the less tiresome route, wait for something to pop, fix that single issue and refuses to fix the ‘backdoor’ people are using to access the in-game files. You can download any outdated program for Tree of Savior and inject, while some of it’s features may not worked (because they are patched when something major like this happens), you can still access all information going through your client and work on something new. Unless they fix how anyone can inject anything into the game, it’s going to be the same as this discussion, running in circles. It’s getting late, servers are back up and there are still stuff I want to check before sleeping, so I’m done.
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