So many people totally missing what p2w means…
Not the same game, but everything this man says, is just, so right, on so many levels.
Regardless of the game as P2W is considered a general term this person is correct to some up the video easly.
P2W is something brought with real life money that can not be obtained in game that is a distinctive advantage to others in the form of award.
A exp boost is technically in the game instead call it EXP augmentation where it takes you to kill say 3 less enemy’s out of 10 compared to someone who does not have the EXP augmentation unless the game awards someone differently when they reach the max level this is not pay to win this is pay for conveyance because everyone gains exp in the game.
Cosmetics that don’t give bonus in games are pay for vanity giving your person a different look that is not obtainable in game this is paying for spicing up your person more of a bragging rights then anything.
Stats that don’t give any distinctive benefit in game that effects other players for instance PVE moving faster this is similar to paying for the exp scroll your paying for conveyance provided it does not reward you for it that is different from other people and anyway yes if people get faster movement speed if there partied up with someone who does not have this then ask yourself they can rush to the location but they still have to wait for there party member to catch up anyway so who’s winning it sounds more like there punishing a person who has the speed bonus because of there slowpoke party member lol welcome to internal balance.
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you on the right track guy
I don’t want statresets. There are already skill reset potions for when things go wrong but patches wont change what mainstat your class will use Oo. I prefer the oldschool RO way - no stat resets. This is about planning your character and make your choices matter, if they keep that the games intention I’m all in.
How you will level a monk? I will exactly do that and being a STR based cleric is not half as bad as you think because the early game is not that punishing. Just play with friends/look for partys to grind. Until you reach rank 5 you will be fine even if you didnt put those stats into INT.
to add to you Patrick this is a MMORPG if you intend to play the game on your own your playing the wrong sort of game…
Unfortunately Patrick they want to remove risk and be rewarded the same haha remember the good old days of mmorpg that they would punish people for dying now it feels like its rewarding them by acting as a transport.
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and what if monk was rank 10?
you and every priest wouldnt know to build str.
4 years after rank 13 classes come out you and all your friends will have STR dex con warriors, when the rank 13 class has full SP based dmg skills… and you have no stat resets… i guess those 4 years are wasted.
I am assuming your a min maxer then… you must be fun in groups…
Oh boy here we go again…
P2W by definition means paying in order to attain an otherwise unobtainable advantage. A clear example of this is buying gear which has better stats than anything you could otherwise obtain inside the game.
Now then, please explain to me what otherwise unobtainable advantage a stat reset scroll gives.
Does it allow you to have more points than someone who does not buy this scroll? No
Does it allow you to spend your points in a manner which would be otherwise impossible to do? No
Does it offer ANY advantage beyond the convenience of fine tuning your build or correcting errors if you have made any? I honestly dont see it.
I really wish this P2W idiocy stopped with people claiming that if something is sold in a cash shop, its already P2W.
Some posters on the forums are literally just one step away from claiming that even cosmetic items are P2W because they offer an advantage in looks.
Each time i see P2W attached to an argument which has nothing to do with P2W im getting a bit more mad.
Right, because otherwise you cannot create a build to pvp/pve. Except you can.
Learn what the **** P2W means. There is no advantage gained from a stat reset scroll which cannot be replicated by just playing the game. Its the very definition of a convenience item.
Wrong. If you dont have the option to change around your build (not to mention paying twice each time you do, boy you must be rich) worst case scenario you will just end up making a new character to adapt to various circumstances.
P2W involvement: ZERO
Someone with a bit of common sense. Thank you kindly.
Yeah right, so not having a stat reset scroll will prevent me from creating characters which are built to suit pvp better. Oh wait, it wont.
P2W involvement: ZERO.
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This.
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If I played priest for support I wouldn’t then suddenly switch to monk at rank 10. What I would do is make a new character and plan him to be a monk if I was interested in that. Regarding your other comment: 4 years wasted? No, hell I’d have had a pretty good time over 4 years playing whatever class I planned on playing with the information available. Why would I play a class for so long and not enjoy it - because the rank I didn’t know about that time uses different stats?
We may have different opinions on gaming, but I don’t “waste” my life because changes to a game occured, I always play to have fun. If not I wouldn’t play.
How about using a system like wow’s, stat and skill resets for in game currency. First one is cheap, increases exponentially from there until it caps at a certain amount.
However, I think if there is a system like this it should not allow you to change classes. It should only give the option to reset stats and change your skills. This wouldn’t stop someone from having to play a new character to get a different class.
Lastly, in order to help incentivize the token for imc’s benefit, make it so it has a 24/48/72 etc hour cool down for f2p.
Either way, I don’t mind much just my $.02
I think he means unobtainable is direct corresponding to radical change of playstyle to a build that would be near impossible to level up from the beginning(full int squire) I think this is a poor excuse of p2w more pay for convince that you don’t want to go back to lv 1 and just sacrifice your current build for a new one…
I for one agree with you on this black light too many people use P2W as a excuse to complain… its sad really.
Well hello.
Let me introduce you to Bob
Bob is a blacksmith, furthermore a very successful one at that because he put all his stat points in dex and luk, which allowed him to attain better percentages at crafting compared to other blacksmiths.
Bob did not spend points on str or vit or anything that would make him succeed in killing monsters, he spent everything on forging.
Did bob use stat reset items, or something that allowed him to get to max level in a flash?
No. Bob was leeching all the way from level 20 to 99, going from party to party, at time being leeched via multi accounts.
Conclusively: Is Bob’s pure crafter stat build obtainable by simply playing the game?
Yes.
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Is stat reset P2W?
No, and people have no idea what the **** P2W means.
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Lol your agreeing with me dude I said the squire because I referenced a class designed for killing that does not utilise the int stat till squire because what you said is the reference I was going for and I agree getting my master smith to 99 was a complete pain when rebirthed just glad I had a firebrand to make it go faster.
So we both agree that what he means has nothing to do with p2w.
Its pay 4 convenience.
Yes completely lol I personally have played a lot of mmorpg and some stand alone multiplayers that have cash shops and I can identify what is a p2w and pay for convenience if you want a prime example of p2w look at DC universe online they have on there store Pay for classis that can not be obtained in game even to pay to make a custom class that can be vastly stronger then the ones they provide for free THAT THERE IS P2W.
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sure this what your all going to do anyways
build PvE stat to max level
covert to PvP stat
months later, level cap raised
covert to PvE stat
then covert to PvP stat at new max level
rinse repeat. im sure IMC would implement this if enough whales would support.
hypocrites once IMC rolls out their premium stat items and recipe or premium clases like in GE. im sure you will defend it as not P2W.
Stats reset is p2w because you can roll con to kill that heavy bursty class and then go back to full dps against a ccless without burst classe, adapting your build in every ■■■■■■■ situation as you wish. People that have money to spam reset will have advantage over people that dont because people that dont have the money will need to make 2~4 characters to have every ■■■■■■■ build possible when a casher dont need to do it.
Just learnt o build and stop crying over stats reset, casuals.
I’ll repeat, reset will be given when there’s a relevant balance/class patch.
its not casuals, only whales are willing to keep reseting stats. any F2P game want to get as many whales as posible, as subtle as possible.