Yes, I also agree, part of the reason why people hate transcendence is because they cant get it at higher level without going hardcore. They cant compete against dedicated players. If transcendence was given as free candy, i can bet we wont see people telling it is unbalanced. Best way actually to get higher level of trans is to buy them off the auction. Casual thinks they can only acquire it through running Saalus.
Itās already obvious that most of the player i mean the players who are trans 10 are pure RMT unless u got 20 characters running on saalus.
YugiMori actually is a hardcore farmer. His guild is compromised of hard core players, you can verify this if youre farming 315 orange mats.
Yeah, they are hardcore farmers.
@lladocspark I now have 10 characters who are saalus ready, I canāt bring myself to run 20x Saalus everyday. The time taken is too much especially when I play like around 4hrs+ a day.
Even with 40 shards a day it will still take a very long time to get to trans10 without any form of external aids such as RMT/shard trades amongst players.
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Assuming, they can get the DPK at less than an hour(30-40 mins), and will drop 2x, they can make 10m+ per hour. Thats 60 shards per hour if 170k per shard. We run Saalus on 20 chars, you need 4hours to do that., you can only make 40 shards everyday.
Yeah, to do that the prerequisite is also having high enough transcendence to farm the map fast too. Maybe really need to invest first then reap rewards later.
Or you can gamble the transcendence system. You donāt need to use all blessed gems to transcend. I took at chance between stages 2-4 by not using the required for 100% and succeeded on all.
2 gems for Stage 2
4 gems for Stage 3
7 gems for Stage 4
Do note, that this is only a case in which it worked out. But my line for upgrading with a chance is, if you donāt plan to play it safe, gamble with a good chance at winning. Overall, that transcendence there saved me 10+ blessed gems. Iām quite sure that if people thought about their chances of success, they wouldnāt need to go for 100%. Probably 90% theyāre ok with attempting.
He probably RMT at 1st. But i can feel that guy is too hardcore, i always see his name at the TOP of kill rankings. Then sell the mats.
Well itās also a testament that he is a neckbeard living in the basement of his parents.
@Nekorin itās Really true, I forgot to mention this to GM Grape when she talked to me ingameā¦ well its really diff to achieve that high level of transcend unless you put some real cash on those trans weapon/equips anyway without any divulging info about it, Iām sure IMC will make some amendments of what they have seen. This are the case where most of the players realise the impact of having a hard time to get shards which on a daily basis committing on saalus run.And even you have 10-20 characters to que mission, hey, its really tiring to achieve which is really un-achievable if we are talking about transcending to high level which is a need just to mark up your value of damage/def/mdef.
Unless you have 10 alts 240 Saalus pyromancer linker, itās easier to have 3 scouts or special alts for 290 dungeon alone.
You can get more blessed shards with 3 farmers chars and buying them cheap (depending on servors), instead of relying on 20 saalus run with rng royal or canyon maps that can take a very lot of time depending on your alt and the group.
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To be honest, I wouldnāt even suggest doing so. Iāve already lost around 15m (silver worth for 200k/shard price) for gambling with transcendence and I know a friend who lost about 20m trying in similar stage. Iād rather had farmed back then the remaining shards to get 100% chance than waste such amount of shards/silver.
IMO thatās too expensive to gamble, also the loss of potential for free, which reduces even more the shards you can get back if you extract them for R9+ weapons.
Also, just leaving a note. My farmer character simply uses Vienazaris Mace without any transcendence to farm materials pretty quickly with swell body. You do not require transcended gear to farm materials if you have a proper farming character, for all other cases on non-specific for farm character, thatās true, you most likely needs transcendence.
Also, it is pretty hard to get DPK in 30-40 minutes without a chrono, most of the time you spend is walking and getting monster spawns and also being careful to not drop only one material (requires checking for Resist! on Swell Body, linking right number of monster). If you want an estimate, in one week I made around 104m (a bit more, Iām taking here only the big pack of same materials in that week) by farming a high amount of materials, but thatās farming 6-14 hours a day and selling for multiple people.
If you want an accurate time per material, take 50min - 1h20 for solo farming while you one-shot groups. Also note that having a party also increases the spawn rate on that channel.
Also depends on price of materials (which is related to server). On Klaipeda the maximum I got was around 3m depending on difficult to farm the given material. Which goes around 6m/h in a lucky DPK range assuming you can sell it for a fixed shard price without market tax, also note that you usually get around 500-800k/h for silver depending on the frequency you find golden/silver monsters and use swell body for more silver income.
P.S.: If you do transcend weapons to kill monsters pretty quickly you can get DPK in less time, but keep in mind on doubling the drop, for example, with Link+Swell Body youāre bound to waiting link cooldown, even after one pass, for some maps might be worth to simply kill everything as fast as you can instead of doubling drops.
Tip: Depending on which map you are farming you can get people to leech exp from you, there is a map where I farm sometimes that gives around 60m/h without tomes/cookies. Whenever Iām in those high exp maps I try to get as many people leeching as I can to increase spawn rate andā¦ well, it helps them ofc, free exp, win-win :V
Introducing the same 51:49 ratios that we have with normal equipment upgrading (Safe up to stage x then increasing difficulty of successfully transcending)
Hell no, thatās even worse than the current trans system
I always thought R8 is where swordsman suppose to farm. DPK mobs are usually weak to slash and pierce so its much easier for us than magics. Running around is not required because of base camp, and quest free tele. I only have 1 base camp assuming Yugi has 2 squires with 2 base camps he can place it on both ends of the map. I always do this so i dont need to go to town for repairs too. The price of orange mats on my server are 7m+, months of its release (4 months i think, floating at 7m). Lets say they can hit the DPK at 1h using +15 trans lvl 10 cata pike, and 2x drop thats actually 14m per hour instead of 10m. Right now the mats only cost 4m per piece on Telsiai. Still good money maker if 8m per hour and way higher than slaving oneās self on Saalus runs.
I will only believe trans is unbalance if all people has trans lvl 10. Right now on my eyes, its a classic harcore players pawning casuals. The gap is too wide. I also i agree there should be a cap on transcendence before it was released, however thats that. We cant waste the effort of others just because we cant compete to them.
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Holy sht. That explains it. Most orange mats in Klaipeda are only around 1.5m a piece. I would have imagined the mats in SEA are cheaper but I guess thereās a strong monopoly there or something.
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It was 7m at released, imagine you do that in 4months. It was only settled at 4m after more people are doing it. Those lvl 10 trans peeps have 20k-30k kills per mob. See the hardcoreness of Asians when it comes to grinding.
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Damn yāall getting paid fat checks. How many channels are there right now on DPK maps? Itās 7 here at most maps.
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One thing we need to take in consideration tho is how SEA have more silver circulation than Klaipeda which make it more worth to invest time on >.<
@jynxie08 having more than one squire in the same account doesnāt work for two base camps, right?
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I prolly could ask a friend to setup for me, but the main problem isnāt even the walking to one side to another, itās mainly the spawn rate and how monsters are spread (since Iām a linker). It is quite complicated actually, for example, the Cata on T10 would need a Doppel build for double drop and thereās double pain earn cooldownā¦
7 or 10 before, then it was reduced to 2 channels then went back to 7 just like your server.
I dont know it probably could work, if not then he bought another squire account and placed it there or his friend camp, then theyre on party so he can tele too.
Some monsters have link resistance probably thats the reason why you taking longer. Swordsman is still the best for farming because of monster weak to physical damage. Well my Lancer is clairvoyant. Double drop is not my problem. I can hit the DPK at 1hr and 10 mins.
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This is false tho. All materials for orange weapons drops from linkable monsters. I farmed all of them at least once.
We kill much faster than magics, orange mats mobs have more magic resistance if not link-resistant. I dont use linker on those maps but melee, even though i have lvl 5 JP scroll maker. My rush is hitting 35k per crit, Mugi probably criting at 60k.
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