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A Pure Tanking Path (recommendations are highly appreciated)

Class and Rank Swordsman
#21

If you actually read you’d see that he’s looking for a tank build not a off tank dps. Also Rode 3 gives a new strike debuff that adds damage to the party members that use strike skills. Quite worth it.

Shinobi knight? He’s looking for a REAL tank. Not some twisted dps tank non sense.

Cata 3… as a tank is useless. Having a cata 3 dps Dragoon myself I can assure you that on a tank perspective it’s not worth it at all. Yes you’ll get your sprint buff and yes you’ll get the mount but you’ll have to switch in between 2 H spear and sword and shield and also what’s the point on being fast when your team won’t follow up with your speed? Just so that you can arrive at the mobs first and afk “C”? No no no. For a tank Cata 3 is not a good choice.

As for squire… that’s a big no considering the person’s objectives.

As for those refusing to understand why Rode 3… do you guys even know the rodelero skills or are you sheeps blindly reading the main stream non sense that rode only good skill is Slithering? Anyway… considering you didn’t understand OP post, which means to me you didn’t even bother reading the first paragraph which is quite sad, your opinions make no sense whatsoever as it’s not what he’s looking for.

As for Cathexis… the reason people go Rode instead of Fencer is because Rodelero provides buffs that lets everyone in the group do more damage while fencer only adds to “your” damage.

Again I feel like people didn’t read OP’s goal… anyway now he has enough info to decide. Regardless of our own opinions on the matter he should play something he enjoys playing.

#22

As for Cathexis… the reason people go Rode instead of Fencer is because Rodelero provides buffs that lets everyone in the group do more damage while fencer only adds to “your” damage.

Let’s not forget that they only buff strike-type damage. Few classes have strike-type skill damage. I can only think of all the shield skills from the swordsman line, 2 skills on highlander, 1 on doppel, and 1 on fencer. I know clerics have some strike damage skills from pally and monk…or just auto attacks with using a blunt weapon as a swordsman or cleric :stuck_out_tongue:

#23

Actually Slithering gives piercing damage bonus for the entire group… same issue tho :slight_smile:

#24

Actually Slithering gives piercing damage bonus for the entire group… same issue tho :slight_smile:

it does? I thought it was strike damage. Maybe tosbase is just outdated then cause

#25

You serious? Rod 3 is worthwhile for a Strike buff?

Also your other statements show you have no experience with tanking. Do you even understand how bad afk C tanking is? really every mention of afk C tanking as a viable strat just cements that you do not understand tanking.

not that cathexis needs defending but Cata3 speed is WAY more beneficial than rod3 strike buff…

You can gather mobs easier, avoid area damage, think rgg circular AOE ground pound, in the event that you do not want to swap to shield and time C then you can easily run out with the speed buff, Trees apples are another that speed helps with avoidance, especially because they can break C.

In regards to Shinobi read the post or not shrug

#26

Actually yes and no, the description of the skill does say strike dmg but once it is applied to the boss, if you move your mouse to the actual debuff it says pierce and not strike… really confusing…

Well let’s agree to disagree and leave it at that instead of trying to argue while we’ll never agree on anything. Cata 3 isn’t made to be anything other than DPS. It’s just not just based on its very kit… Is it viable? Of course it is but not as a pure CON tank. You’d be missing out on so much of its potential…

Also, let me say that while Cathexis made quite good points and topics, it doesn’t make him an expert on the matter either. He talks from personal experience based on his own trials and errors. Nothing more, nothing else and it doesn’t mean that what he says is wrong, but it also doesn’t mean that every single word that he writes is the fact. Same applies to me and I’m only speaking about personal views and experience.

That said- Afk C is useless yes. A good tank doesn’t just taunt then C, there are timings, you can easily press C when needed alone in order to block hits when they do occur. I’m not talking about aggroing 21 mobs then just pressing C of course that’s the normal thing to do I’m talking about boss fighting. Pelt 3s have to apply armor break- Rodeleros 3 other debuffs that do help your party yes and any slight help is good to take regardless of what you’re implying.

Choosing 3 ranks only to get 1 useful tank skill is stupid. It just is and you’re losing on so much just for that extra speed… I just don’t see what good it is for considering that the OP only wants a pure CON Tank and doesn’t care about damage.

Anyway, saying that I have no experience just because I’m against the 24/7 afk C means you didn’t completely read my post. Not to mention that I mentioned it in regard to the Cata 3 speed and the party indeed being unable to follow. The cata speed is good under certain distances and on short distances its speed as far as tanking is considered is not that big a deal especially when most tanks who put their points in CON end up with 50-60 stamina…perhaps even more.

Anyway, as I said let’s agree to disagree and as for shinobi… a shinobi without damage is nothing.

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#27

Why go for rod3 instead of rod2? The Slithering skills duration stays the same no matter how high you make it. Considering full tank that is.

I may be wrong but wouldnt it be better to pick instead of rod3, rod2 with a squire1 or cath1??

Just a thought, i may be wrong and i’m not a tank but i’m interested in these builds.

Anyone who can tell me why this would be totally wrong or why this may be good for pure tank purpose as @Arccai wants.

#28

Hello, ive seen many builds so far …

and the most effective one ive seen in the 240+ was

SW>Pelt3>Hop2>Dragoon .

this guy build I mention was just insane. Consider the massive increase on the block he got from finestra and mixing the other things.
Along using the buff from gae bulg suprisingly easy and uptime almost all time.

I was really impressed. I suggest looking into it.
I am myself tanking everything up to these levels with my aias shield…
but i’m (Pelt>Barb3>Doppel>Dragoon).
but not sure it will be as great for the ET.

and I don’t know why everyone mention even squire… you can’t use repair inside indoors and dungeons, only town and fields…
so… for ET you can forget it’s any usefull… at the moment I only see squires as an AFK character.

#29

I went Rode 3 because Sq 1 isn’t really good for a rank 7 considering that most will go squire 3 and be taken prior to Sq 1s and 2s… I liked Rodelero because of the additional damage I could get from the skill upgrades and for the additional striking debuff which really helps in PvE (especially when alone as having no point in STR makes things especially long…) but also because it gives the group when they are using strikes, additional damage and no matter how small the damage I’m always eager to help out. Cata 1 gives really nothing 1 rank besides a speed buff. Everyone will always tell you to go Cata 3 or not go cata at all… Rush is the only “worth” skill in the cata tree with the speed buff. The rest of the skills do not scale well…

Rode and Squires are the best bets right now because of their utility while every single other class is more DPS oriented rather than utility…

I also think that going Hoplite and Dragoon is a waste of time considering that you’ll have basically no point in STR and only the minimum in DEX. OP wants a full CON build and Hoplite and Dragoon won’t really give more damage than a Squire3 or Rodelero 3… if anything the Rodelero will do more damage than the Hoplite/goon only because of his passives that are incredibly powerful when mixed with certain group member skills…

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#30

hoplite is waste of time if going con ?

finestra is by % and will scale with CON… don’t talk out of no experience.

dragoon is waste ? again % defense to your party and yourself for 15sec ?
hidden(misguide info on description) Gae bulg buff make all your party hit X2 attacks for 7.5sec that almost no one mention ?

rodelero for damage ? is this a joke ? why would a tank look for damage with 0 party utility ? slithering for dodging magic is a joke and not really usefull.

squire - again, can’t use in dungeons, and indoors… unless you gonna grind in fields for hours which NEVER happen. squire won’t be any good use.

for Cata - speed is not needed for tanking. you have to hold target in place while your party DPS it.

you say “best this best that” but give no good reason behind the word.

#31

Gae bulg? I have it on my pvp character and it’s not at all worth it. Not only is the skill bug as it doesn’t always land on the target when the spear lands right on the boss, but the benefit from it is questionable as well. Show me statistics on this because from personal tries it was a waste of money to purchase these useless attributes…

As for Finestra… I don’t really see how it will give you more damage. Your damage will still be capped considering nothing will be in STR- you might do more crits, even tho if Finestra is on you should already be having quite many but low damage crits are the same as high damage skills with no STR…

You obviously also know nothing about Rodelero, Slithering gives a strike/pierce debuff (we’ll know which one it is once the translation will b done accurately), Rodelero has 2 CC, more pvp oriented I’ll give it to you, an armor break much like the Pelt though it doesn’t work on bosses. It has an attribute changer skill that works on bosses although I’m not sure in what capacity. It has another strike debuff. Rodelero entire class is utility oriented. I don’t understand what you mean by it’s not?

I mean, by your post you’re implying that Dragoon is more party utlity oriented than either squire or Rodelero (for your info Squires can be used in Earth Tower - and it shows you didn’t do any research but base your knowledge on limited information). Anyway- Rodeleros have 3 more party utility skills than Dragoon. So… yeah…I don’t see your point.

#32

Dragoon offers alot more damage than some Strike niche, unless youre going to party with alot of classes that deals strike damage.

#33

That actually will depend on who is in the party with you considering the attribute passives. Overall perhaps but then Dragoon relies entirely on STR. I’m skeptical and I’m not sure the difference would be so high…

Anyway I think we can all agree on one thing- personally I chose rodelero because it’s my style of combat and I just like it. The same with my pvp char, I love the cata 3 speed rush mixed with the swordsman stun.

Point is- play what you like and let’s be real here… so long as you go CON, and have pelt 3, if you have repair tools you can easily be a ET tank. Pelt 3 is a must- The rest is up to you and what you like most.

#34

That i agree, i play what whatever i think gives me the most fun experience of the game.

I too, happened to be a pelt3 player

#35

Sounds good, I also chose Rodelero 3 because sooner or later the class is going to get some love as it hasn’t had much of it so far :stuck_out_tongue:

#36

I see, so the thought i had is’nt really worth it. The striking debuff is indeed very good which prob makes it worth it.

Thank you for your respond.

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#37

People say it isn’t… but I find it is. There are always good chances to be grouped with melees in DG and missions and so it helps. At least I can see the HP going down faster while the debuffs are on… As far as ET is considered I’m guessing it’ll be another tank and just as good as a squire :).

#38

Only 3 out of 55 classes in the game have a reliable source of Strike-type damage for combat at higher levels. And none of those are a primary damage dealer in a party composition.

Without even considering how likely it is for you to find a party that could truly take advantage of that Strike debuff, just consider that the majority of the damage will come from many other sources of damage that are not Strike.

In the end, the amount of damage coming from a Strike-type source is so little that is not worth in any sense.

Anyways, the reason why people are recommending Squire C3 instead of Rodelero C2 for Earth Tower is because Slithering not required at all.

Meanwhile the Squire C3 food is almost essential or at least a core part of the strategy on most party compositions for Earth Tower and it makes a whole lot of a difference using it.

That is the main reason why people are making Swordsman->Peltasta C3->Squire C3 for their Earth Tower party compositions.

#39

It’s because you’re a lawyer…you are direct… :laughing:

#40

So basically Sw/pelt3/sq3 is the way to go especially if you want to do earth tower?

Maybe a bit off topic but how much is full con with this build viable? I know it’s a hell lot of pain to level it but it’s quite a strong tank build right.